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greetings and salutations and welcome

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back friends we are once again

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presenting a ufo report and tonight i

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thought we would do something a little

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bit differently

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you know it was grant cameron actually

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who encouraged me to

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start

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focusing more on experiencers grant

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cameron says it's all about the

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experiences that's where we're going to

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get

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uh the good stuff

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um

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and since then

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i have changed my attitude greatly

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towards experiencers and interviewed

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some and uh continued to communicate and

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dialogue with others

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um

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so tonight i wanted to do something like

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i said that would be a little bit

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different and and that is perhaps more

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of a focus on

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experiencers

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with extraterrestrial biological

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certainly i think that they should be

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the focus of some research and tonight's

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guest

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may help us to shed more light on that

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tonight's guest is ryan stacy

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who is a private investigator author

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citizen journalist and an active

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canadian ufologist in the canadian

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disclosure movement

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he's also a paranormal and psychogenic

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or is that psychogenic i'm sorry

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investigator

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he's the former national chief

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investigator for mufon canada all of

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canada and a former director

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of field investigator training for mufon

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ryan is also the host of beyond the

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tinfoil hat i love the name of that

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podcast it's a podcast by the

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experiencer support association so

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without further ado let's get our very

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special guest in here please welcome

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ladies and gentlemen

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ryan hello

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good to have you finally here yeah so

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thanks for having me i don't know where

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to begin but i ask everybody this

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because i think it's a good opening

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question i've looked into your

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organization i've seen videos that

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you're uh producing okay and uh

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one thing one question that i had

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because i hadn't heard you mention it in

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some of your videos

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and this is a good starting point is

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what got you started down this rabbit

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i'm in i'm in a lot of rabbits

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yeah you're in multiples i mean in the

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let's say the ufos and the alien rabbit

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hole

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i'm a paranormal guy i've always started

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i started out with ghosts and and uh and

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spirits and apparitions and whatnot

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i got the ufo bug when uh like a long

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time ago when i started with mufon

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i guess in a nutshell and i've i said

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this before i've explained the mufon

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story 100 times but like i'll try it

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but i i'm a licensed private

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investigator so i got yeah i was always

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interested in paranormal but then i got

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a request by a client to locate uh

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someone in which she her son which he

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believed to be abducted by aliens so

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story short i found out he joined

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scientology so he did disappear he did

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the poem all those things were kind of

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markers in something you know which is

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not normally accepted so weird uh you

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know but not aliens but the thing is is

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in order to find them i had to join all

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these groups all these groups that i'm

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now in and creating and working with

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uh in order to understand the culture

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you know just to find this guy um and

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by staying in those groups having a

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hobby a paranormal and investigating it

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myself with uh which is called black

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light uncharted um

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eventually somebody had reported a fraud

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that's illegal how can i help blah blah

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me to canada didn't know there was a

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canadian division i settled that real

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and then stu bundy was like hey uh so

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you're an investigator for real i was

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kind of like well yeah like you guys

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real investigation yeah so so and he's

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like well what do you think about ufos

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and i was like aren't those machines and

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like well you know there's some things

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i'll join sure i got nothing to do and

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for me it was just to sharpen my skills

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while i'm waiting for you know the next

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i know i i knew a pi and that was

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i was instructed to close it because it

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was historic it was an old case you know

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there's no evidence you know what i was

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told to find and i was like you guys

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don't know what you're talking about so

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you know i end up finding the guy

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locating the place location all that

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my first case was a cold case reopened

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that and i ended up publishing it in

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mufon journal and then everything kind

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paranormal is it was there was no place

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for paranormal uh in mufon

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so i was also the paranormal guy for

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canada so every time something came up

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that didn't fit you know the ufo nuts

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and bolts you know at first they would

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delete it and get rid of it because they

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didn't have a spot for it but i was like

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know how to i don't know how to work

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with these people and uh and and so i

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of training that you realize that

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things like that but long story short i

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end up leaving yeah the united states

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division because uh

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i had uh i had discovered uh money

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laundering or not laundering but

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issues and uh i had discovered uh you

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know some of the uh evidence that um

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eventually led to the uh arrest of jan

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harzan and things like that so so there

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were there there was a whole bunch of

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things that i had learned uh and as a

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licensed licensed investigator uh you

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know i have obligated to make those

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reports so i had done that and whatnot

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which is a virtual thing never really

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um and eventually obviously that lead

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and all these other things but i i did

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go public i did i did push more about

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the experiencer phenomenon because the

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the two organizations so there was

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records anybody can download those tax

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i'm this is a new news it's just like i

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university uh because it was outdated

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some point and and maybe a retired

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canada team because as the international

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uh team we had to be responsible for

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membership for the states and all this

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is i try but this is the thing is i at

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this time with with with with with jan

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and um and speculation on on

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circumstantial evidence that i presented

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to them as a concern

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and then the way they acted you know

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i i it justified it it might you made me

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think that okay perhaps it's true and

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and then and then and then all these

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things kind of got developed uh it kind

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so by me going public there was a

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concern that was also a contingency plan

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on me because i know that their their

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their um their face is you know the

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media part is important so they don't

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necessarily have a good enough reason to

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get rid of me because i just knew a

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bunch of things but i never i never

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exposed them because it was under an nda

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that didn't matter to me because i was

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taking care of the people and the

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experiencers and doing all that other

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work and then eventually they found a

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right here they tried to boot you for

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finding the dirt on them well

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that's speculation because nothing has

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been said i've never gotten validation

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i've never gotten a statement can't get

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anything from jan because he's in jail

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so like you know and and did he go to

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jail do you know what happened with the

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disposition of the case well well he's

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been i don't know if the case is cleared

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or not i i have uh i'm waiting i i held

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i asked for an information request but

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it's still ongoing investigation so

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but the so i can't interfere with the

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police office investigation i'm just i'm

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just just me curious to know because i

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do i do i do care about the guy i do

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like the guy but i mean you know that's

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a that's a that's an illness that's

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something completely different but like

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so

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um the point of the matter is is there

303
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was nothing on the media side that they

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could get rid of me for

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and and and i knew that and what i was

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trying to do is show them that the uh

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that the experience or the influence

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this is the example in which we need to

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set

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and at the same time there was

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opportunities for me to be a national

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for for the national director uh of

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uh of mufon canada too but those were

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not offered to me because of all this

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all this other stuff because they didn't

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want

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it over or change it or convert it or do

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whatever whatever i've done so

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essentially

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that all led to uh me creating the

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experience for support association

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and and essentially that was the same

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model that i offered to move on uh for

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free uh and since they rejected it and

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forced me out i just started doing it

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and uh now we're going into almost year

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three and uh and so you formed your own

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organization to do the same work

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do the exact same thing uh with a few

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the least amount of people

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for the least amount of money

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focused entirely on the experiencers and

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the research to prove and to emphasize

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that mufon does not me need half a

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million dollars every year to run their

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organization

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they simply you know to to to show that

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it's possible uh to do anyone could do

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this and and and the business model i i

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suppose for the experiences of

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association is to take people that are

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already doing good

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and help them do better and and that's

344
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uh yeah excuse me that's a masonic

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philosophy as well

346
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yeah i gotta ask you about that uh yeah

347
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no worries somebody heard that

348
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oh really somebody heard that you were

349
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gonna be on my show and was like you got

350
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to ask me about being a mason yeah no we

351
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can get into that too if you want my

352
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stuff's in the back there

353
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yeah i know i'd love to hear more about

354
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it whatever you can tell us but so so

355
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well i'm just saying that the tesla

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model actually is like based on a lot of

357
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masonic philosophies too like the whole

358
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like i said taking good good things and

359
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making them better better yeah and and

360
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improving that and teaching that so my

361
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role as the field investigator trainer

362
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it was to teach uh people how to

363
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investigate uh all these things but the

364
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problem was

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is is is how do you teach people how how

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to identify objects that nobody can

367
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identify so there's a lot of speculation

368
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a lot of people don't understand

369
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evidence that people don't understand

370
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that there's different types of evidence

371
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layers and that how that evidence is

372
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stacked how that evidence goes together

373
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how that evidence leads to a criminal

374
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case and things like that as well

375
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you know so there's there's a process

376
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because a lot of there's a lot of effort

377
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this is what my observation is there's a

378
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tremendous amount of effort trying to

379
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solve the riddle

380
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but they they don't know how and and

381
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because i possess the skills and the

382
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ability being a you know private

383
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investigator for a career and having my

384
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own private investigating firm uh i

385
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thought it would be a good idea to

386
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create a platform where where i could i

387
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could teach them some things under

388
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certain circumstances or or or help them

389
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do what they're already doing

390
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and give it a little bit more

391
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credibility that double stamp that

392
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double standard so tessa as an

393
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association uh essentially is what i'm

394
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looking for is people who um who do

395
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their own investigations their own way

396
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but they have their cases at the end of

397
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the year or whenever they have it and

398
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they send it to review as a as a double

399
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check and then we have some discord or

400
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some conversation back and forth until

401
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we get that evidence uh as as perfect

402
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and sound as we absolutely can

403
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and then uh we publish it and put it out

404
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together uh as as as a group model

405
00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:42,959
and but the thing is is for the last

406
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almost three years um i went around in

407
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the circle i went around all the people

408
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and went all around to the to the people

409
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that i think would actually be

410
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interested in that and they're not and

411
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why because it take

412
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my speculate that it takes away from the

413
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attention it takes away from the

414
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viewership it takes away from the

415
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monetization takes away from the sales

416
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:05,520
takes away from the books takes away

417
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from everything

418
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:09,520
from an evidence point of view i have

419
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yet to see anything certain you know

420
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substantial enough um

421
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to other than

422
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um my own work and and and and not to to

423
00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:20,880
my own horn but like no one should be

424
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able to trust anything but their own

425
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:26,720
research but even with myself trust but

426
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:29,360
their trust but verify sometimes exactly

427
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even with myself i put it out there so

428
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:34,480
this book right here behind me yeah let

429
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,679
me go yeah

430
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:37,120
yeah and just to be clear so people

431
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understand you yeah you keep saying

432
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tessa and and that means the experience

433
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experience association yes yeah and so

434
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:46,080
is one of the things that you do to

435
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support people that are having these

436
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experiences and get them you know

437
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help them through it right yeah you know

438
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:56,000
exactly so so

439
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:57,039
well yeah i'm just going to finish my

440
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:58,480
thought on this so with it with this oh

441
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,080
sure i'm sorry yeah no no it's okay

442
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:01,840
because i want to get into that too uh

443
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:03,840
what i was leading to is with this book

444
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:08,799
uh specifically is is just a bunch of

445
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documents that i've gotten from the

446
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,400
canadian government that were that i had

447
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,320
declassified well i got to get this book

448
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,400
because sometimes

449
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:18,960
it does yeah no i appreciate that uh

450
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,600
what it does is it gives me uh sometimes

451
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:24,000
a little bit of information and most

452
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,600
people reading that and like if you get

453
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a journalist who writes a story and

454
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:29,120
references a document like that's cool

455
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:30,559
you read the story you see the document

456
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:32,160
you're like oh cool that's that idea and

457
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,360
then it kind of goes on but there's

458
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:34,640
actually a lot more information that's

459
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,200
traceable so this entire book actually

460
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:39,760
shows how i can take

461
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,640
this little blurb and be able to

462
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:44,720
identify or come very close to

463
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identifying the object even though the

464
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,000
government said they don't know what it

465
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:50,960
is so i assume that they have just as

466
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,280
much information as i have i assume

467
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:55,120
they've done this investigation as well

468
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,880
come to the same conclusion or something

469
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:58,799
similar they're just not releasing that

470
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:02,320
to me and and and by doing that uh

471
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,600
anyone who purchases that um or or it's

472
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:07,760
a it's a textbook it's a guide it will

473
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,679
you will actually learn some methods on

474
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:12,640
what i use i'm showing my work and and

475
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,280
because i'm showing my work

476
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:17,840
i'm getting feedback from people who've

477
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,640
seen the people that are famous today

478
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:22,240
and all they've done is written books

479
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,600
all they've done is read their books

480
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,360
they talked about these documents but

481
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:27,520
they've never seen them and

482
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,200
the funny thing is that some of these

483
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,240
documents in here have been around for

484
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,720
years but they've never been published

485
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,960
why because people are selling them

486
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,480
they're they're selling the name and all

487
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:40,160
that other stuff so as an investigator

488
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:43,360
i'm also investigating the industry

489
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,240
so i'm i'm i'm i'm somebody's asking

490
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,480
where where can we buy the book uh so so

491
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,640
okay so so this is this is interesting

492
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:52,960
it's on amazon you just type in ryan

493
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:55,840
stacy ufo you can buy the heart of the

494
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,559
the paperback uh proceeds go back into

495
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,720
the experience for support association

496
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:02,880
you can get the cheaper version of the

497
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,320
kindle version uh so i think that's 2.99

498
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:08,400
for that but if you want it for free

499
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,360
it's on our website if you need it so so

500
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:13,520
so so we don't you don't have to buy it

501
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:15,760
to get it but it's that option is there

502
00:20:18,430 --> 00:20:16,799
but i'm not going to tell you where it

503
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:18,440
is on our website so it's

504
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,159
www.teslacan.org so you check out the

505
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,080
website if you find it you can have that

506
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,000
awesome that you that you offer for free

507
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,679
for people yeah no it's just well that's

508
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,000
the thing that's part of the experience

509
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,320
yeah yeah well okay so so let's let's

510
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,480
talk about this so so this this could be

511
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,880
yeah there it is right there so so

512
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:36,400
somebody oh yeah it's cheaper because

513
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,650
you guys are american lucky you

514
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,880
[Laughter]

515
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:42,799
but i'm not a big fan of kendall i like

516
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:45,520
paper books i got huge books

517
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:46,480
and that's what the other thing that

518
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,840
we're trying to explain to everybody is

519
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:50,320
how the business works there is a

520
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:51,360
business

521
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:56,960
um

522
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:59,360
you won't be so mad when you make the

523
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,400
purchase

524
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,880
so for example if you want the book to

525
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,880
be in your hands that's what you're

526
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,240
paying for

527
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,320
if you if you need it just to study or

528
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,760
to look at and to browse you get the

529
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:11,280
kindle version if you need it for free

530
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,640
because you can't afford it but you want

531
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,000
the information you go to the website

532
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,159
you get it for free it's available to

533
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,000
everyone but some people have so those

534
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,159
who can afford you know accordingly so

535
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,240
it all kind of works out in in that way

536
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,760
it's a good model i like that model well

537
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,840
thank you plus canada is based on trade

538
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,600
so so it's kind of like the old the old

539
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,480
trade system in which uh which we have i

540
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,559
thought you guys only made maple syrup i

541
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,960
didn't know you made ufo books too i'm

542
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,720
impressed oh we have you and i'm

543
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,720
definitely i just added this i have a

544
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,919
list

545
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,039
i have like

546
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,720
every once in a while i go to amazon and

547
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,039
buy four or five books and i hope for

548
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,440
the time to read them all in one shot so

549
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,840
you're on my list now because

550
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,440
i love some of the canadian documents

551
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,679
i've seen you know uh and some of the

552
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,720
research that like great cameron had

553
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,440
released some of those documents

554
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:01,840
cameron cameron's doing doing his own

555
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,799
thing uh he you know he does have a lot

556
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,600
of the documents um that everybody else

557
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:08,720
has

558
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,760
um i have like

559
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,520
he he's in his own world though he's

560
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,080
been doing this for a long time

561
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,840
yeah i interviewed him once i like him

562
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,679
yeah i disagree with him on many things

563
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:21,600
but i agree with him on others so

564
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,880
yeah like i mean he he he's not uh he's

565
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:27,840
he's not helpful to what i'm doing but

566
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,440
he is helpful uh to that particular set

567
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,080
of experiencers in which uh which he has

568
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,679
a following for so it's not really a bad

569
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,919
thing uh it's just it's just he's no

570
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,400
longer doing sighting reports you know

571
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,240
any and he's focusing on the hard stuff

572
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,120
that is uh that is hard to prove but he

573
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,039
uh you know he's earned that credibility

574
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,440
over the years so he's entitled to do so

575
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:51,039
um

576
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,240
so

577
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,159
we're reacting with the support the

578
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,080
experience your support yeah i wanted i

579
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,400
wondered if you could tell us more about

580
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,640
some of the experiences that come to you

581
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,559
and what some of their experiences are

582
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,799
like and what you guys do for them in

583
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,320
case anybody

584
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,320
is an experiencer and is thinking maybe

585
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,679
i should go to this group to get

586
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,000
something so well there's no story you

587
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,400
know yeah no for sure so it depends on

588
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,480
how how you how you find us there's many

589
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,200
ways we can support uh tessa is a team

590
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,320
uh so i do have uh you know chantal is

591
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,039
uh on our team as well tim morrison uh

592
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:27,760
and uh now we have serena uh we have

593
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,880
kevin we have uh possibly chris if he

594
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,559
ever answers his emails

595
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,640
uh you know we so we do you know we do

596
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:36,880
have uh a significant team my wife

597
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:39,919
priscilla as well uh so so so we we all

598
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:42,880
have if i forgot someone i'm sorry uh

599
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:45,600
but we we all have our our

600
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,440
our roles so so the support um

601
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:51,120
there's pillars so like i mean there's

602
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,240
really there's there's there's the

603
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,159
support side for the experiencer side

604
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,159
there's the investigative side there's

605
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:58,320
the research and science side so some so

606
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,480
all three of those support factors um

607
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,080
are developed in certain ways and

608
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,919
differently but they go together but the

609
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,840
problem is is everybody in those three

610
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,600
pillars don't know how it goes together

611
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,480
i do we do so so our role is to help

612
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,080
them separately and then lead them and

613
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:15,600
then interconnect and then bring them

614
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,360
all together uh at some point so so if

615
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,360
you basically we ask is how do you

616
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,200
identify if you identify as an

617
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,440
experiencer or you identify as an

618
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,360
investigator or you identify as a

619
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,200
researcher so so if you're an

620
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,120
experiencer then we would encourage you

621
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,840
to join you know then it's like are you

622
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,400
in need of support so if the answer is

623
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,880
yes then then it's whether you want open

624
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,799
support or you want close support or

625
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,480
private support so if you want open

626
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,559
support they could stay anonymous

627
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,559
correct so open support if we go to a

628
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,919
facebook group that we have this is

629
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,360
called the experience for uh sorry

630
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,679
experiencers anonymous it's the name of

631
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,039
the facebook group

632
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,520
um you can join that it's everything

633
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,360
that goes into that group you can have

634
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,360
conversations we moderate we regulate to

635
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,640
make sure the information that goes

636
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:02,640
inside is either tessa or our sponsors

637
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:05,440
or or anybody that that is in our realm

638
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,480
um

639
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,720
the we have a private experiencers

640
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,480
anonymous group which is a monthly

641
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,559
meeting uh in which we encourage

642
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,120
experiencers to just show up listen to

643
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,200
other people share their story

644
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,200
or their experience mind you

645
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,200
and and chantelle facilitates that and

646
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:23,760
based on what they say and how they uh

647
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,840
and and how they're affected uh she'll

648
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,360
provide uh suggestions from there either

649
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,120
internally or externally so we do have

650
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,200
private resources that we can share but

651
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,679
we don't do that uh we don't advertise

652
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,600
it uh we wanna we wanna make sure that

653
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,000
you come in we're listening to you we

654
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,480
understand the situation

655
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,919
and then we'll make the referral based

656
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,000
on based on the trauma if it's if it's

657
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,559
present now if it's

658
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:49,679
i

659
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,120
there's there's there's trauma there's

660
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,640
sexual assault there's there's a lot of

661
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,960
criminal activity that happens so so

662
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,720
whether these extraterrestrials or

663
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,279
paranormal paranormal beings are real or

664
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,640
not that doesn't matter to me what

665
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,360
matters to me uh is that these these are

666
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,720
criminal activities that are happening

667
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,840
to my people and and our and my approach

668
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,919
is trying to uh you know trying to

669
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,000
understand um

670
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,960
what's going on and in some of the

671
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,720
research as well

672
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:28,880
using regression therapy

673
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,000
we sometimes learned that

674
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,640
experiencers would hide behind the alien

675
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,400
phenomenon

676
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,279
as the suspect of uh of you know uh

677
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,440
early on sexual assault from a family

678
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:42,720
member so there's there's still some

679
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,760
there's some

680
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,919
uh you know stuff in there

681
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,600
i've never heard that before well it's

682
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:49,520
it's very common and and this comes from

683
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,720
my background as an investigator

684
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,400
de-escalating as well in search of

685
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,840
situations and things like that on the

686
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,760
security side too i'm also a security uh

687
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,559
security guard or officer uh as you

688
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,559
would call it in usa so

689
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,799
um so so there's a lot of those elements

690
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,400
going there so we kind of triage it

691
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,760
there so

692
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,960
i hope

693
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,520
that in that that model which i'm not

694
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,080
part of because i need to investigate

695
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,240
objectively without the emotion if i

696
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,440
heard every single story and i saw the

697
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,440
pain and the suffering and everything

698
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,880
that everybody goes through which is i

699
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,039
did i would not be able to do the

700
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,880
science side i would not be able to do

701
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,120
the investigative side objectively

702
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,279
without emotionally getting involved so

703
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,640
that part's important because if if if

704
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,480
they get it off their chest they feel

705
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,559
better they have that community they're

706
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,480
in a safe environment

707
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,840
i'm not allowed in because i'm an

708
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,159
investigator and i want to remove myself

709
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,600
from that equation we don't let

710
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,520
journalists in we don't let researchers

711
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,360
in we don't let anybody in

712
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,640
uh to pick and prod and and and and and

713
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,240
pull that information out we just let

714
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,000
you have that environment which is

715
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,799
adopted from similar to the aaa or n a

716
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:59,279
uh you know that that familiar yeah

717
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,559
that's the way it should be people

718
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,559
should feel free to express themselves

719
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,159
without worrying about who's listening

720
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,480
the hope is that people like them

721
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,919
they'll get they'll get introduced to

722
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,600
tessa and they'll explore in the website

723
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,039
and they'll find all these things that

724
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,039
that work for them and resonate and then

725
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,440
and then by the time they get to

726
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,919
comfortable to reporting i may not know

727
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,679
that they've been to ea

728
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,640
but

729
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:23,200
the hope is that that that trauma has

730
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,480
been dealt with and they're now

731
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:27,840
reporting uh undamaged and or or or at

732
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,799
least uh you know calmed down uh so that

733
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,279
way the information is as is more

734
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:34,960
accurate than it could be

735
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,600
now if i get an investigation first and

736
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,440
they don't know about ea and i see the

737
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,279
trauma in the report

738
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,440
i'll refer them to ea and then get them

739
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,960
to report again and i compare their

740
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,960
first report to their second report and

741
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,640
i see where it correlates and then i go

742
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:50,880
in and investigate from there

743
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,000
now i'm not

744
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,320
only helping the experiencers i'm also

745
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,399
helping researchers and investigators by

746
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,960
putting our uh declassified documents on

747
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,960
the website in a database and a virtual

748
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,640
database so people could find them and

749
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,039
look for them and and use them for their

750
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,760
research also creating an academy where

751
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,159
i can teach people how to investigate uh

752
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,640
in general uh people need to learn how

753
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:16,480
to investigate anything whether i'm

754
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,679
chasing down a uh you know a um

755
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,840
like an infidelity case or or i'm trying

756
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,000
to locate a missing child from uh you

757
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,159
know in the middle of a custody battle

758
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,200
uh the the process is the same you apply

759
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,360
those tools to ufo that goes to

760
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,279
paranormal decrypted to whatever you're

761
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,240
looking for uh the skills are the same

762
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,520
and and those are missing in this a lot

763
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,200
of people know how to google a lot of

764
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,760
people know how to read oh i call those

765
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:46,080
books oh right i call those right-click

766
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,200
researchers

767
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,559
but i mean it's not

768
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,399
their fault

769
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:52,000
it's all they know how and this is what

770
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,919
i mean i acknowledge the intent i

771
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,000
acknowledge the effort

772
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,799
and i and and they just need

773
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,880
to come to us and do that it seems like

774
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,320
you're not critical you're just saying

775
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,240
like hey you should learn how to do and

776
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,000
we have to and we can all you have to do

777
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,679
is make a report because then the

778
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,520
experiencer

779
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:11,120
becomes the researcher or the

780
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,399
investigator

781
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,799
so so so so this is the other thing with

782
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,559
mufon that drove me crazy you know they

783
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,000
had the star team where you had to go

784
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,159
all over the place uh and show up and

785
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,600
put boots on the ground and collect the

786
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,360
evidence and and do all the other things

787
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,279
you will never do that by the time you

788
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,120
get the evidence and be contaminated by

789
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:28,880
the time they mail it to you it'll be

790
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,840
it'll be it'll be gone it's unusable

791
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,919
i mean all those things uh then from

792
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,520
what i heard mufon just files it away

793
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,120
and never does anything with it anyways

794
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,360
no it's because that's because it goes

795
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:41,120
in the cia

796
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:42,000
you know

797
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,880
so

798
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,039
big revelation there is that what you

799
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,720
really believe

800
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,320
well there's a lot of evidence i know i

801
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,350
yeah well the thing is is we know that

802
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,760
that happened the the debate is whether

803
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,080
it continues to happen or not i mean it

804
00:31:01,190 --> 00:31:00,000
it happened once that's that's more than

805
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,200
enough for me

806
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:03,679
uh i mean if anything they just learn to

807
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,360
cover their tracks but i mean i mean

808
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,960
there's good things about mufon too so

809
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,039
so the thing the problem is

810
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,679
again is a lot of people trying to get

811
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,279
the answers but not really knowing a

812
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,519
damn thing about it and my goal is to

813
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,519
show people how to do that and because

814
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,360
that's been available nobody none of the

815
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,880
people that are currently involved want

816
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,600
to want to learn because they believe

817
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,039
that they can do it or they're finding

818
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,799
their own and all these other things and

819
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,399
all the power to them

820
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,559
but you know there there's

821
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,190
i'm pretty sure i have a clear

822
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,919
understanding of what's going on but i i

823
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:42,559
don't know enough uh about the subject

824
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,320
to to know for sure if i'm wrong so so

825
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:48,559
like i still have to look into it

826
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,240
yeah so so the thing is

827
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:54,399
when the experiencer reports i was going

828
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,760
to come back to

829
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,679
is is i don't need to go to their house

830
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,440
i don't need to investigate their house

831
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,760
i don't need to do all those things i

832
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,600
for the way my reporting system is set

833
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,120
up i don't even know it's your house

834
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,440
unless you tell me that mufon will ask

835
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:10,000
for your address your kids your social

836
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,360
insurance number like absolutely

837
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,960
everything you don't need

838
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:15,039
to do a case on top of the event data we

839
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,240
just want to know

840
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,840
where it happened and how it happened

841
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,720
and then we we speculate around that

842
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,559
sometimes there is physical there could

843
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,039
be physical evidence there could be i

844
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,720
mean so but you how do you collect the

845
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,880
physical evidence you you know so yeah

846
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,320
some of these cases are weird and i'm

847
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:31,919
sure that i've heard cases of like some

848
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,720
kind of residue on things that they that

849
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,120
the experiencer claims the alien touched

850
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,039
and some other so yeah yeah yeah so

851
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,880
there's that fluorescent and and i mean

852
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,240
you can capture it you got to do it

853
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,760
these are these claims but then by the

854
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,840
time the report happens it could be

855
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:47,760
years ago so that's no longer existence

856
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,880
so we kind of want to be there when

857
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,399
when it happens and then you report

858
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,720
instantly and things like that too so i

859
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,640
would tell the experiencer to go and

860
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,720
take these daytime photos for me if i

861
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,679
want to

862
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,240
see what the sky looked like um

863
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,159
when you when you submitted this ufo

864
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,559
video or what you think is a ufo in the

865
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,640
middle of the night and i wouldn't i

866
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,320
don't need to go to the location i don't

867
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,679
need to go there and take the photos

868
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,840
myself if i use the experiencer and if

869
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,760
the experiencer does it and learns and

870
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,279
goes through the process and then we

871
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,880
discover that you know what hey that was

872
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,640
the lamp post that was there i didn't

873
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,240
notice that when it was nighttime well

874
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,480
hey guess what you'll learn something

875
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,320
the next time you report you're not

876
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,559
going to report like that again and then

877
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,080
and then i can that's coming from my

878
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,159
experience with mufon most of my career

879
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:34,640
was just telling people uh what a lens

880
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,760
flare was what a a a a light refraction

881
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,480
was

882
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,640
uh you know and and and what a white

883
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,200
lots of misidentifications yeah

884
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,120
and and and and there's still some

885
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,200
things that are unknown but just because

886
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,640
i don't know what it is doesn't mean

887
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,320
it's aliens

888
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,519
you know people know what it is and the

889
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,919
reason why i make these books or and put

890
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,080
them out is i'm hoping that the people

891
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,200
that that that i'm hearing hate what i'm

892
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,519
doing hate the game that i'm playing

893
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,320
will will look at this book rip it apart

894
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,560
and say you're wrong but nobody's even

895
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,040
touching it and and and so i give you

896
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,440
the opportunity to say that i don't know

897
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,399
what i'm talking about

898
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,599
yeah and and nobody and all it does is

899
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,839
is is uh i got to do shows like this i

900
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,520
got to say things like this i gotta i

901
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,440
gotta that's how i'm indirectly selling

902
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,040
my book but i mean

903
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,320
it the point i'm trying to make is is if

904
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:32,639
i don't know what it is somebody out

905
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,760
there should know what it is

906
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,520
and i'm hoping that someone will find

907
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,440
the book and be like hey i know what

908
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,359
that is and then okay i learned

909
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,399
something

910
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,560
would you like to be on my team perfect

911
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,240
you know like i can't you can turn that

912
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:48,159
around if we work together nobody wants

913
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,599
to work together they all have these

914
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:51,760
clicks they all have these groups that

915
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,440
they started a long long long time ago

916
00:35:03,589 --> 00:34:57,920
ryan i always say this it's a big club

917
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,230
my name is on everybody's uh do not

918
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:08,480
enter list well now we have something in

919
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,000
common you know now i i just had a a

920
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,560
very naive youtuber last week getting

921
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,320
some kind of disagreement didn't like

922
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,079
some guest i had

923
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,760
and said that they were going to get me

924
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,000
blackballed from the entire ufo

925
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,839
community and i said do you even know

926
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,520
what you're talking about i'm already

927
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,119
the black sheep yeah but you know that's

928
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,119
the community these are the people that

929
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,359
are controlling the narrative they don't

930
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,760
mean ridiculous they don't mean uh can i

931
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,400
swear can i kind of swear here yeah yeah

932
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,640
a little bit there's no way

933
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,240
the moment's gone the moment's gone

934
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,200
anyway

935
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,040
so so the the

936
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,520
the messiahs or the these people that

937
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,720
are being uh uh that are in these clubs

938
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,400
and whoever you subscribe to sure

939
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,839
they're right

940
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,440
about some things because it's their

941
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,200
opinion but they're talking about

942
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,680
something that they released 60 some odd

943
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,359
years ago and they're still talking

944
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,760
about the same thing today uh you know

945
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,920
it's it's nothing new uh it's just

946
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,520
people are just continuing to listen to

947
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,119
that no one's pushing for new answers

948
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,040
i'm releasing i'm showing documents that

949
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,000
existed in 1952 from canada but guess

950
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,480
what they were all released in 2001.

951
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,320
nobody's talking about it and nobody's

952
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,760
most people haven't seen them yet

953
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,040
because they don't know what to do with

954
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,200
it they don't understand the importance

955
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,200
or how to take the evidence and and

956
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,640
actually lead it

957
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,960
do a link analysis and connect the

958
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,119
people and trace the lead and actually

959
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,280
connect and find these people i can find

960
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,920
these people when there's a report it

961
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,240
tells me more information not just what

962
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,079
happened it tells me where it happened

963
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,400
when it happened who worked i can find

964
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,079
all that information locate them get a

965
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,079
number call their phone and say hey

966
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,160
you know i'm so-and-so i'm a private

967
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,680
investigator i'd like to talk about this

968
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,599
ufo case and then they hang up like how

969
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,800
the did you find me right so so even

970
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,720
when i do that these people don't want

971
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,920
to talk about it and and and it's like

972
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,240
how much of this stuff is made up

973
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,599
how much of this

974
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,119
uh is

975
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,440
yeah and so so the machines and and all

976
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,520
that other stuff that that doesn't

977
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,440
register with me anymore what uh with

978
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,440
the experience your part the thing

979
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,200
that i'm really passionate about and

980
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,480
really trying to understand is why

981
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,720
these experiencers

982
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,560
are seeing these beings why they're

983
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,720
seeing these orbs why they're doing this

984
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,640
because here here's the other thing too

985
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,400
on the skeptic side and the metaphysical

986
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,640
or the or the pseudo sciences which is

987
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,480
just simply sciences that haven't been

988
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,720
still science it's just not accepted by

989
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,040
the academics well screw them you know

990
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,359
but pythagoras uh or peter garris

991
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:40,800
however you want to say if you're greek

992
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,950
he didn't go to school he created school

993
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,960
right like that's kind of like you know

994
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,160
where where did where'd you go from

995
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,320
there i might be wrong in that but the

996
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,359
point point

997
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,079
i'm getting at is is the this school

998
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:58,880
system uh is is just

999
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:01,839
based on the seven liberal arts of

1000
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:02,839
science

1001
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,599
yeah and uh so we can do those

1002
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,680
fundamentals today as an investigative

1003
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,359
process and come to those conclusions we

1004
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,440
don't need academics to do this unless

1005
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,839
we're able to provide them evidence so

1006
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,440
so when we get the evidence then we can

1007
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,839
use the the academics to to weigh in on

1008
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,119
it but if we're not collecting good

1009
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,599
evidence from the get-go um then there's

1010
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,839
no point and therefore there's the

1011
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,920
frustration we have today and what

1012
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,200
frustrates me is we've been doing this

1013
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,200
for 80 years i've been you know i've

1014
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:31,520
been in this for five almost six years

1015
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,880
and and i've made more progress uh in

1016
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,720
the last five years than i've ever seen

1017
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,520
anyone in my area in the last 30 or 30

1018
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,200
some odd years and that includes grant

1019
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:43,520
cameron in in terms of the citing

1020
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,240
research speaking about it going around

1021
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:47,760
and doing those things all those things

1022
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,800
help it's important things he's done is

1023
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,800
great and it's it will continue to be

1024
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,800
great but that's only a part of it you

1025
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,800
know if you got someone like him going

1026
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,800
around spreading a message what about

1027
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,480
the research and the new evidence that

1028
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:03,359
i'm i'm releasing and he's not talking

1029
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,160
about

1030
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,440
uh why

1031
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,760
why you know this is new information i i

1032
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:09,920
got a declassified document

1033
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,280
uh monday i posted that and it still

1034
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,960
might be space debris but it's a

1035
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,280
declassified document from the canadian

1036
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,880
government that they sent me when i

1037
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,800
asked for it that's something that needs

1038
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,119
to be talked about i have in this in

1039
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,320
this book i have a declassified service

1040
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:29,680
document from a ufo event january 19th

1041
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,280
uh uh started january 6 2019 of a green

1042
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:35,839
light that chased an aircraft that had a

1043
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,040
response by a military craft to find it

1044
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,960
and they can't identify it and they

1045
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,119
released that document to me but yet no

1046
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,040
one is talking about it

1047
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,280
and i give it to these people and i say

1048
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,079
hey look at this look look look this is

1049
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,160
the thing that you say you always wanted

1050
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,320
and the things that we need from an

1051
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,359
evidential point of view

1052
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:58,720
they don't care

1053
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,640
and and and i'm trying to understand why

1054
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,200
it could be money it could be a cover-up

1055
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,760
maybe maybe it's made up

1056
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,680
maybe it's not a story they can sell or

1057
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:11,920
maybe it's not a story they can sell so

1058
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,440
so so i don't care about that club my

1059
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,760
i'm making a new club i'm i'm creating

1060
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,000
an environment i am creating an

1061
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,839
environment i'm so sick of this club i'm

1062
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,920
going to start my own i'm in i'm in it

1063
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,839
with you a minute with you brother and

1064
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:27,280
you know what we had a great question

1065
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,400
i've always wanted to ask someone yeah

1066
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,240
go ahead and go ahead this is very

1067
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,920
important and this is a question that i

1068
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,520
would definitely want to ask somebody

1069
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,119
like you who has this

1070
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,599
all of this knowledge about experiencers

1071
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,160
we hear a great deal about my labs so i

1072
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,680
want i want to know

1073
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,280
after all your research what is your

1074
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,280
opinion that some of this stuff is my

1075
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,920
labs or uh what is this steven griff

1076
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,640
calls it stage work which i i don't find

1077
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,960
incredible but that's the term

1078
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,800
so so give me context what is your

1079
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,240
interpretation of what my lab is

1080
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,079
responsible for well from my

1081
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,599
understanding uh a lot of ufo people

1082
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,760
seem to claim that a lot of these

1083
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:06,240
abductions are not aliens or

1084
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,680
interdimensional beings but it's

1085
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,520
actually the military

1086
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:12,240
uh somehow pretending to be aliens and

1087
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:15,440
giving people false alien experiences so

1088
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:19,520
it's very very very plausible and it uh

1089
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,200
it makes sense to me uh as the source uh

1090
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,760
the motive uh it would be uh

1091
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,480
debatable there um

1092
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,319
it and when it was kind of leading to

1093
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,000
the experiences it kind of got revved up

1094
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,000
there a little bit but the the uh my

1095
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,200
study is is to find out what uh

1096
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,280
why these experiences are

1097
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,520
are experiencing not just ufo phenomena

1098
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,200
and all phenomenons and what's

1099
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,839
connecting them through psychogenic um

1100
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:46,960
uh

1101
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:51,359
so so so the mind study of the mind the

1102
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,839
consciousness so so so with with

1103
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,599
the evidence

1104
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,119
nuts and bolts they need pictures they

1105
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,680
need videos but these these people

1106
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,520
see it in their mind and if they see

1107
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,440
them their mind is not really credible

1108
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,640
because they can't prove it but the way

1109
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,079
but by talking to so many different

1110
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,599
experiences and working with them and

1111
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,280
have them draw it out and mapping it and

1112
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,200
triangulate everything and and doing the

1113
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,200
actual science with it

1114
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,560
i'm able to

1115
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,960
[Music]

1116
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,160
have

1117
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,560
correlated data that shows that somebody

1118
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,319
from different areas of the world are

1119
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,760
drawing the same things or seeing the

1120
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,839
same things in their mind so so there is

1121
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,359
some some connection that they're

1122
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,040
receiving the same

1123
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:35,520
same same download or transmission or

1124
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,960
the or they're tapping in uh into uh the

1125
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,960
same ether or the same ultra spectrum

1126
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:43,200
which we call uh you know yeah i

1127
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,319
definitely want to ask you about the

1128
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,720
ultraspec yeah no worries i need to pick

1129
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:48,880
your brain yeah no we can we can do that

1130
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,400
and um so to tie back into that what i'm

1131
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,400
learning is that there's just it's just

1132
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,000
the experiencers are connected with each

1133
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,319
other and i started to ask the question

1134
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,240
you know what if uh like you use like

1135
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,640
poultry guys activity for example

1136
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,160
objects moving sounds and things like

1137
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,440
that you assume that's ghost but like

1138
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,359
what if it's you what if what if what if

1139
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,359
whatever you and your anxieties and your

1140
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,040
energy and your wants is projecting that

1141
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,960
and you move the object object there's

1142
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,720
not a lot not a lot of credibility being

1143
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,960
given to the experiencer and when i when

1144
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,440
i accept that as a plausible explanation

1145
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,040
there's more evidence to suggest that

1146
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,119
which leads to the possible example that

1147
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:27,200
maybe what these people are seeing is my

1148
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,160
labs

1149
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,839
because the technology in the

1150
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:31,599
consciousness remote viewing all these

1151
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,440
things uh exists it's the motive behind

1152
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,040
it that we need to and

1153
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,839
need to determine yes it's possible but

1154
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,800
why

1155
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,240
yeah i've never i've never been able to

1156
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,680
answer that why would the government

1157
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,680
pretend to be aliens and

1158
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,160
and try to play devil's advocate why why

1159
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,720
scare them why do this why do that if

1160
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,599
that's part of the game then okay

1161
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,119
it's weird

1162
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:57,599
it's it's frightening it doesn't seem

1163
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,800
productive unless they're real and if

1164
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,960
they are real these people can see them

1165
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,960
in this inter-dimension there's multiple

1166
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,480
multiple universes there's lots of

1167
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:08,720
science to support this consciousness in

1168
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,480
this ether uh this realm uh it's just

1169
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,319
it's just that human element has been

1170
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,960
removed from it we're not we've been

1171
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,520
maybe part of the fear factor is to uh

1172
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,359
or the control factor and in a sense is

1173
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,000
to not look at ourselves as the super

1174
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,160
being and and to and to look at

1175
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,280
something physical or or or you know and

1176
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,280
and be distracted and caused by fear i

1177
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,359
mean it i mean

1178
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,119
so i don't know do you do believe that a

1179
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,440
lot of these people these experiences

1180
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,200
aren't physical and this is generated

1181
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,520
perhaps by their own mind because i've

1182
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,839
heard i've heard these people that claim

1183
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,839
i get abducted once a week and my

1184
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,040
question is always like why don't you

1185
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,119
set up some video cameras and some get

1186
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,480
some science but you never know when

1187
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,400
you're gonna get it get abducted like i

1188
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,200
mean like it's like you kind of don't

1189
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,760
wish that do you no i don't wish that on

1190
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,040
people but if they're saying that it's

1191
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,440
happening every week i say set up some

1192
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,359
video cameras well this is how it's

1193
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,200
happening it's just we don't

1194
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,960
you know sometimes

1195
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,119
we look at actual projection we look at

1196
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,839
out-of-body experiences we look at uh

1197
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,599
near-death experiences all that uh you

1198
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,680
know out-of-body stuff consciousness

1199
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,560
stuff

1200
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,800
you know we don't if that experience is

1201
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,119
in their mind so so so so that doesn't

1202
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,200
mean it's made up it just means that

1203
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,400
that's where

1204
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,480
the messages are being transmuted if

1205
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,319
they're dreaming it could be a dream

1206
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,640
state but it also could be a reality if

1207
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,640
you're doing lucid dreaming so there's

1208
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,280
this other side that exists and there's

1209
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,119
many methods on how to get into it when

1210
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,280
you meditate when you do reiki when you

1211
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:41,440
do all these practices to tap into this

1212
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,400
source

1213
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,000
you know they're you're pulling stuff

1214
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,400
from the same source now could there be

1215
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,079
beings inside that possibly and these

1216
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,280
people are seeing them and and and

1217
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,760
uh and they look a certain way they look

1218
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,520
different they have races they you know

1219
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,400
they they they there's this this data

1220
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,920
that shows them seeing it but the

1221
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,839
problem is is they can't capture it they

1222
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,839
can't prove it they can't take photos of

1223
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,599
it because it's in their mind but

1224
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,520
because it's in their mind

1225
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:10,319
that's it's considered not credible

1226
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,200
uh

1227
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,760
because they can't prove it so so with

1228
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,760
this philosophy i think it's still a

1229
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,319
mystery why are the same people why are

1230
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,240
vastly different people seeing similar

1231
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,920
things or having similar experiences

1232
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,240
right and and the way the way that we'll

1233
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,480
figure that out is through our ultra

1234
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,319
spectrum

1235
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,400
classification system so we basically

1236
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,880
need to um

1237
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,960
so so for those of you who are familiar

1238
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,880
with the the heineck and valet

1239
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:38,800
classification system

1240
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:43,280
uh is is

1241
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,720
uh ten times more advanced as that one

1242
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,520
and it's meant to enhance and to include

1243
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,839
paranormal as well as consciousness and

1244
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,359
psychopsychogenic

1245
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,400
activities and it breaks them down into

1246
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:58,000
the root source so i'll give you an

1247
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,040
example

1248
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:01,920
uh we have paranormal orbs and we have

1249
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,359
uaps which is a light in the sky orbs

1250
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,240
you know so so so to to an objective

1251
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,680
investigator what's the difference

1252
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,760
between a paranormal orb and an alien

1253
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,680
orb there is no difference it's still an

1254
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,319
orb in the sky so we would categorize

1255
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,960
categorize that as aerial activity so

1256
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,200
both sides can agree that this is active

1257
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,319
in the air

1258
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,400
now with the other part is that we get a

1259
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,240
variance of some people taking pictures

1260
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,559
of it we get some people and now that's

1261
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,920
the cameras that just might be able to

1262
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,359
pick up different lights in a different

1263
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,920
spectrum because it's not seen and then

1264
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,520
we get we get some people seeing it in

1265
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,200
their mind and drawing it but it looks

1266
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,559
like the one that somebody took a

1267
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,559
picture of so stacking the evidence

1268
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,240
works on its own it's really hard to

1269
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,160
prove but if this person drew something

1270
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,319
and hasn't seen this evidence yet

1271
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,319
right i know that they don't know each

1272
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,240
other and i am wondering why they look

1273
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,559
the same and and but there's cultural

1274
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,960
influences in some cases yeah but they

1275
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,640
see it in their mind imagining it and

1276
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,000
all those other things we kind of roll

1277
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,520
it out and triangulate all those other

1278
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,839
things too but it's still categorized as

1279
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,760
aerial activity then we have to

1280
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,520
determine the intent what was the motive

1281
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,960
how did they how did they do that we

1282
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,599
have ce5 which is human initiated

1283
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,200
contact where you're intentionally

1284
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,119
trying to make contact

1285
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:15,200
so so that matters whether whether it

1286
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,240
happens

1287
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,079
intentionally or unintentionally some

1288
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,760
people are seeing these without wanting

1289
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,839
to see them and some people are

1290
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,920
experiencing wanting to experience them

1291
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,920
and they're getting a reaction to it so

1292
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,839
there's there's other factors the mind

1293
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,640
the consciousness is is the key

1294
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,800
to solving this because if the

1295
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:35,200
government is doing something to that

1296
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,400
effect

1297
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,800
it would the only thing that makes sense

1298
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,359
to me is that there is an existence of

1299
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,839
another dimension another reality

1300
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,480
another subspecies of some sort we have

1301
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,119
the ability to tap into it we are

1302
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,960
getting stronger we are learning we are

1303
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,359
seeing more and if they don't suppress

1304
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,880
that

1305
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,760
we're going to start to see more uh at a

1306
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,000
faster rate than they're ready to lose

1307
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,160
their control which is why we have this

1308
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,000
this this all these things that's

1309
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,520
happening in the world right now so it's

1310
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,839
a balance it's whether they know whether

1311
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:09,200
they need to maintain and you've got to

1312
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,319
look at the government as a business

1313
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,000
there's like seven somewhat almost eight

1314
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,680
billion people in this world that's a

1315
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,280
big business

1316
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,440
so you've got a lot of yeah they've got

1317
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,920
a lot of surfs to control yeah so and

1318
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,240
that's a lot of people that if they were

1319
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,119
scared that could cause a lot of damage

1320
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,760
so so there's all these things that need

1321
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,440
to take in place to

1322
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,079
maybe not scare them maybe not hurt them

1323
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:35,119
but to stunt it long enough

1324
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,040
to to to progress or evolve without

1325
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,200
leading to you know a destructive uh a

1326
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,960
destructive area i'm kind of all over

1327
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,119
the place but no it's okay this great

1328
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,119
discussion and you know there's another

1329
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,559
thing that i really wanted to ask you

1330
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,839
because of your experience with

1331
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,400
experiencers yeah um

1332
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,280
one of my it's just a theory and i'm not

1333
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,280
as well informed as you or others that

1334
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,839
are really really dug into these issues

1335
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,160
but have you heard of the god helmet and

1336
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:04,880
are you aware of how magnetic fields can

1337
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,640
cause hallucinations in the human brain

1338
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,559
because this god helmet experiment is

1339
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:12,400
very interesting because it's basically

1340
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,200
a helmet with magnetic field generator

1341
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,040
and it can generate specific magnetic

1342
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,200
fields that alter the brain and people

1343
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,200
put this helmet on and they feel like

1344
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,880
they're seeing aliens or

1345
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,200
interdimensional beings or

1346
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,359
so part of me has always wondered if

1347
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,640
maybe some of these people that are

1348
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,400
having these experience

1349
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,040
experiences are somewhere where there's

1350
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:34,960
a spike in magnetic fields that could

1351
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,640
cause this sort of experience yeah and

1352
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,319
and so that's definitely plausible it's

1353
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,720
definitely it make it would make sense

1354
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,200
because if the brain if the if the

1355
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,880
science of the brain is we're able to

1356
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,040
make this contact if you're using a

1357
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,240
device that is able to enhance that then

1358
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,400
then if something er you know like

1359
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,520
because if you're in the dark and you

1360
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,960
turn on the light you start to see

1361
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,760
things so it's it it becomes easier

1362
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,359
so with those

1363
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,800
enhancements

1364
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,480
um

1365
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,240
but it's it's also manipulating the

1366
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:09,359
brain so so so we don't know necessarily

1367
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:10,480
know

1368
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,760
what sensory this is is being triggered

1369
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,599
because you have your auditory you have

1370
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,280
you know you have your eyes and your so

1371
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,960
all your senses your taste your smell

1372
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:21,599
all those senses are are are connected

1373
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,559
to the brain

1374
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,400
so they're so so so

1375
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,520
that device is manipulating the entire

1376
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,000
brain so

1377
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,480
i don't know if you can narrow it down

1378
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,160
to be specific but i mean you would have

1379
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,319
to again

1380
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,319
i would i would take

1381
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:40,079
you know use that as an experience and

1382
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,520
then get them to draw what they saw and

1383
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,880
compare that to my work and then i'd be

1384
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,880
able to provide corroborating evidence

1385
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:45,920
around that

1386
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,400
uh from that part but what i'm hearing

1387
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,359
is is that there's technology that is

1388
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,119
manipulating the brain

1389
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,880
um

1390
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,800
to do better but then that same

1391
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,319
technology

1392
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,960
can be used to do bad things right that

1393
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,440
that sure yeah it's a tool isn't

1394
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,280
it's still a tool that technology exists

1395
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,280
it depends on what the hands uh and

1396
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,480
that's where i'm kind of coming from it

1397
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,839
makes sense that all these things can

1398
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,520
happen it's the why it's the intent we

1399
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,599
don't know and but the thing is the

1400
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,839
experience or has trauma and experience

1401
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:17,599
or experience you're scared experienced

1402
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,559
here is not sure uh and is trying to

1403
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,160
validate it and we need answers and

1404
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,680
that's where the disclosure part comes

1405
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,599
in but if we disclose the ufos that

1406
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,040
doesn't mean aliens

1407
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:29,040
i mean that's a black hair

1408
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,829
if you opposed to exist then they link

1409
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,640
that

1410
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,800
therefore this must happen so the

1411
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:40,800
experience for support association isn't

1412
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,680
isn't designed to push for disclosure

1413
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,520
we're just we're just writing you know

1414
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,440
we're we're collecting information from

1415
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,599
the past from the present looking to the

1416
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,000
future but the whole point of tessa is

1417
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,040
to be ready for when disclosure happens

1418
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:56,640
because we want to be able to

1419
00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:59,359
communicate to the experiencers that hey

1420
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,559
what your experience it may is not

1421
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,640
associated with what's been disclosed

1422
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,240
it's something else or it is and

1423
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,400
resources and all these other things too

1424
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,680
because there's going to be a whole

1425
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,520
bunch of people that say you know what i

1426
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,480
don't believe it it's it's a it's a scam

1427
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,240
it's a hoax and you're gonna have some

1428
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:19,119
people be like oh okay cool right and

1429
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,319
then but you're gonna have some people

1430
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,400
that are like that really that really

1431
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,760
happened to me

1432
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,240
oh my god yeah where do i go

1433
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:28,319
and then and then suicide rate goes up

1434
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,760
all these all these all these things and

1435
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,880
it doesn't matter whether we believe

1436
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,319
them or not they're in this panic

1437
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,839
they're in this trauma traumatic state

1438
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,359
and we need to heal them we need to help

1439
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,040
them because there are people there's a

1440
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,280
lot of other things that contribute you

1441
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,200
contribute to the stress to the trauma

1442
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,520
so so in part of the so so the whole

1443
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:45,119
idea is to

1444
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,119
is to identify the trauma

1445
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,079
provide private resources that have the

1446
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:53,520
right credentials and the reason why

1447
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:54,640
they're private is because they can't

1448
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,160
come forward uh and and and identify

1449
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,880
themselves as i do uh at risk of losing

1450
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:02,400
their licenses and things like that that

1451
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,599
doesn't mean they're not helpful it's

1452
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,280
just that's just the way the world works

1453
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,040
but the hope is to get more science to

1454
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,040
prove and then they come forward and say

1455
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:11,119
i'm responsible for all that part and

1456
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,559
then we move forward together once we

1457
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,559
remove those stigmas

1458
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,480
and and and there's all that all that

1459
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,559
fear but then the

1460
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,400
what i'm also trying to do is encourage

1461
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,079
the experience for not to be afraid

1462
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,640
because here's here's the thing if this

1463
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:26,960
experiencer is able to connect with an

1464
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,920
extraterrestrial or a paranormal being

1465
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,240
that is my witness

1466
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:34,559
i want that person

1467
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:37,680
to continue to do that but i don't want

1468
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,839
them to get hurt i don't want them to

1469
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,720
you know so so if if you go into a room

1470
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,720
and there's a ghost and you want to do a

1471
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,359
summons you don't yell at it you don't

1472
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,319
say show yourself because you unless you

1473
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,000
can determine

1474
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,520
definitively

1475
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,680
what weapons or what tools they have on

1476
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,119
the other side that they're going to

1477
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,760
come back at you at i would never

1478
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,960
you know you know it's like bringing a

1479
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,440
knife to a gunfight you know you don't

1480
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,559
know what the other side has and you

1481
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,280
shouldn't tempt it you shouldn't and now

1482
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,920
these people are afraid but if but

1483
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,319
that's how they come to me because they

1484
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,440
don't understand they're scared because

1485
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,920
it doesn't look normal what's happening

1486
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:23,839
to me what are these people going to say

1487
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,480
when i have no one to talk about or talk

1488
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,720
to sure and then what we do is say it's

1489
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,119
okay we believe you come to ea come do

1490
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,480
this talk to other people you're not the

1491
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,920
only one who said that we don't know

1492
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,599
what it is but talk to other people who

1493
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,040
have experienced that and try to figure

1494
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,960
it out for yourself make a report and

1495
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,240
we'll do the science side and all that

1496
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,240
other stuff then all of a sudden they're

1497
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:44,160
not afraid anymore because at the end of

1498
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,280
the day

1499
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,280
you know you know we ask questions like

1500
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,880
well did they uh

1501
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,480
you know what did they do to

1502
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,160
to scare you to make you think they were

1503
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,359
going to hurt you well they just stood

1504
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,760
there it's like okay that's scary

1505
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,720
yeah

1506
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,880
but they didn't grab you no okay well

1507
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,799
they didn't want to hurt you they didn't

1508
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,880
hurt you it just scared you that makes

1509
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,160
sense maybe they were scared of you

1510
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,240
maybe they were observing you know try

1511
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,240
to give them try to defend these aliens

1512
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,240
and these paranormal beings too because

1513
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,839
we don't know their intent

1514
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,520
we don't know why they're watching us we

1515
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,000
don't know why they're they're abducting

1516
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,760
or maybe maybe you're willingly

1517
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,280
consciously saying yes and they're

1518
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,880
taking you and then you forget and then

1519
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,640
you panic because there's so many things

1520
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,240
happening in the mind

1521
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,760
so that's why we have to really work on

1522
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:28,079
these experiences case by case for long

1523
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,920
periods of time to rule all this stuff

1524
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,680
out and then get out get as much

1525
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,400
information uh in in

1526
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,720
in many different ways

1527
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,799
uh and and which is with the ultra

1528
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,079
spectrum report which is going to be my

1529
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,000
next book that's uh that's coming out uh

1530
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,440
hopefully it's supposed to be this

1531
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,280
october but it's going to be november

1532
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,359
which will explain the classification

1533
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,440
system explain why i don't use heineken

1534
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,280
valley's classification anymore why it's

1535
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,240
obsolete to me uh why how the

1536
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,240
investigative process works how this is

1537
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,319
all connected that includes cryptids

1538
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,480
monsters all this stuff these are labels

1539
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,960
these are archetypes you know

1540
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,599
you know it you call it like a reptilian

1541
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,400
could be a cryptid it could be uh like a

1542
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,079
um and

1543
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,799
a shadow figure could be an alien

1544
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,480
it's but when you draw them this is the

1545
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,000
other thing that's interesting too is

1546
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,280
when you go through the report i ask

1547
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,599
them to identify what it best relates to

1548
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,760
from what they understand but when they

1549
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,440
so they might say it's a ghost but then

1550
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,119
later on in the investigation hey you

1551
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,559
don't have a picture okay draw what you

1552
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,359
saw

1553
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,440
that ghost doesn't looks like a gray

1554
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,000
alien to me so i don't call it an alien

1555
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,520
because i can't label it these are the

1556
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,599
labels that were provided by mainstream

1557
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,440
media but why are you calling that a

1558
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,559
ghost because it appeared

1559
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,640
uh you know a translucent so they

1560
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,319
assumed it was a ghost by the way that

1561
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,240
they were raised but if it's an alien

1562
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,079
and it's translucent or transparent

1563
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,599
maybe that's hologram maybe that's

1564
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:52,319
technology that exists which is my lap

1565
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,000
so there's so so so but the experiencer

1566
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,359
needs to be

1567
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,680
believed and we do believe them i may

1568
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,880
not agree

1569
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,880
with what they think they had

1570
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,280
experienced is what they experienced and

1571
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:07,119
they may not

1572
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,640
agree with my uh my analysis

1573
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,040
but we will have to agree at the end

1574
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,440
that whether or not this is causing harm

1575
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,520
intentionally or not and we don't want

1576
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,280
them to be afraid of it you continue the

1577
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,359
next time you have this experience i

1578
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,200
want you to remember what color the

1579
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,359
clothes were the next time you have this

1580
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,160
experience i want you to document this

1581
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,480
stuff and then the evidence becomes

1582
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,240
better so that's that's the other part

1583
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,760
too when i'm seeing how i teach the

1584
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:35,920
experiencers how to investigate their

1585
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:39,119
own sightings and nine times out of ten

1586
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,480
by the time i'm done with them they're

1587
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,559
like you know what it wasn't an alien at

1588
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:44,960
all it wasn't a ghost at all i just was

1589
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,760
misinformed well it's okay no worries

1590
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,160
thanks close the case but then they're

1591
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,839
okay

1592
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,000
but then but even with that there are

1593
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:56,799
still some that have some things that

1594
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,599
cannot be explained and it's still those

1595
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,760
are the good cases right yeah those are

1596
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,599
good cases right but you can't it can't

1597
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,960
be proven

1598
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,720
until we have more

1599
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,880
of that kind of evidence stacked up with

1600
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,240
different types of evidence there's

1601
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,839
analogical there's circumstantial

1602
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,599
there's hearsay there's testimonial and

1603
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,960
there's the direct evidence the direct

1604
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,119
evidence excuse me is what everybody

1605
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,680
wants so they can steal it they can sell

1606
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,280
it they can get their likes get their

1607
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:23,760
reviews

1608
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,880
right get those ufo dollars but it

1609
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:28,240
doesn't it doesn't it doesn't help the

1610
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,200
people

1611
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,960
it doesn't help the cause either i love

1612
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,880
the disclosure advocates that just put

1613
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:34,960
blinders on when people are running

1614
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,160
around selling 100 provably fake stories

1615
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,760
you know like that's not helping

1616
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,839
disclosure this story's fake you know

1617
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:43,680
well in order to lie there has to be a

1618
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:46,000
truth so so so there is a truth to the

1619
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,440
root of it and you got to determine the

1620
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,680
motive so do you do you wanna

1621
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,000
who's your who

1622
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,280
pick a guy that's that you have

1623
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,440
questions about i know i know i know

1624
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,280
you're digging in this stuff

1625
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,680
who do you want to analyze oh actually

1626
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,160
this is topical uh and you're you've

1627
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,319
been studying experiences i have a real

1628
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,240
problem with people that's so-called

1629
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,280
study experiencers and then reach

1630
01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:14,000
definite conclusions dr david jacobs

1631
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,520
he's convinced that there is an alien

1632
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,079
hybridization

1633
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,319
takeover of earth program going on and

1634
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,559
that's what all abductions are about

1635
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,160
they're abducting people stealing

1636
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:26,000
genetic material they're making alien

1637
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,920
hybrids what's his evidence what's his

1638
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:29,920
evidence to prove that hypnotic

1639
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,240
regressions and and experience your

1640
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,559
testimony okay that's it and so that's

1641
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:37,040
circumstantial evidence based on based

1642
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:38,000
on that

1643
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:41,760
uh you you know those particular

1644
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,319
assuming that he uh that they are

1645
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,319
truthful and that the person doing the

1646
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,960
regression wasn't paid to to say said

1647
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:50,720
things so assuming all that information

1648
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:51,440
is

1649
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,079
how can you definitively prove it um

1650
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,000
it's still speculation unless you get

1651
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,000
confirmation so we still need that i

1652
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,160
know but he states that like it's a fact

1653
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,079
like he but he's

1654
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,000
he's he's not important

1655
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,760
i'm not important

1656
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,079
sure what's important is the experiencer

1657
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,000
the experiencer

1658
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,200
gives me the power to be here if these

1659
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,680
experiencers didn't report if i didn't

1660
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,160
have this data if i didn't have this

1661
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,520
research because of what they

1662
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:23,280
volunteered to me i couldn't be sitting

1663
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,640
here for today

1664
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,359
i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them

1665
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:29,920
all these people that are famous today

1666
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,000
wouldn't be here if we didn't buy their

1667
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:35,280
books if we didn't pay 300 to listen to

1668
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,640
them say the same [\h__\h] they said on

1669
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,640
youtube yesterday

1670
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,040
they wouldn't be here if we didn't

1671
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,440
support them so the experience or

1672
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,079
support association is to support the

1673
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:48,319
people that's responsible

1674
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,520
for what we have today because if some

1675
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,520
of that is true

1676
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,680
they should be thanked they should be

1677
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,599
taken care of because they're directly

1678
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,160
responsible for coming forward and if

1679
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,720
the and what i want is more people so i

1680
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,240
like you know more people to come

1681
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,760
forward and say i am an experiencer i i

1682
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:09,280
had an experience whether it's true or

1683
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,400
not

1684
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,160
to be more confident with it but at the

1685
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,240
same time be you know talk to people

1686
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,839
like me uh you know and don't just

1687
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,680
report to me to test a report to move

1688
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,359
phone report to everybody else they all

1689
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:20,720
have different methods and different

1690
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,480
ideas but you as the experiencer decide

1691
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:26,640
from who who your service provider is

1692
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,920
and what's best for you because you know

1693
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,079
you know what you're looking for you

1694
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,079
know what answers work for you and then

1695
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,319
you continue to study and grow and if it

1696
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:38,960
encourages you to do good i don't care

1697
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,280
if you call it angel i don't care if

1698
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,359
it's satan because if it's satan and

1699
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,119
he's telling you to do good well guess

1700
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,280
what you know it might not be satan but

1701
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,440
you know what you know

1702
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,039
it it you know unless you want to go

1703
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,440
down to the sumerian roots but like the

1704
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,039
the point is

1705
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,839
is is is is there's

1706
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,240
we need to start believing in ourselves

1707
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,480
so so so this the process

1708
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:04,160
with with teaching that's getting the

1709
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,520
reports it's me doing the work i need

1710
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,880
the help i'm going to build an academy

1711
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,240
to teach people how to do what i'm doing

1712
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:10,160
so they can help me with the research so

1713
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,680
they can understand how this works

1714
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,119
investigate it for themselves and help

1715
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,640
all these other people get more data get

1716
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,880
more trends so we have hot spots when we

1717
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:19,039
have hot spots we can actually go and we

1718
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:22,319
can do these experiments and try to uh

1719
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,920
try to collect

1720
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,599
other evidence that could be stacked

1721
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:27,839
upon so if i have a specific hot spot

1722
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:30,000
for my own data not just a list of

1723
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:31,599
paranormal spots that was put on there

1724
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:34,720
by tv i mean our own data hot spots to

1725
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:37,599
go and do that with our own science

1726
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:40,079
then then we can we can rule some of

1727
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,680
those things out too but the most

1728
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,039
important

1729
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,720
is our retreat

1730
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,400
uh and

1731
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,160
i just i just want to i just want to

1732
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,240
point out ufo nod is here welcome ufo

1733
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:53,039
not and he says i disagree with ryan uh

1734
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,480
of just about everything just about

1735
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,319
everything well let's talk about that

1736
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,480
no but i just want to say that it's okay

1737
01:04:01,829 --> 01:04:00,000
to disagree because you know

1738
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:01,839
i'm vaguely familiar with some of the

1739
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,440
interviews that you've given like with

1740
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:06,160
charles hall who i think is a fraud and

1741
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,119
others

1742
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:09,280
and but it's okay because i think you

1743
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,119
try to do a good job interviewing them

1744
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:12,880
even though i believe personally that

1745
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:16,000
they are not credible so it's okay

1746
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,440
you know no i'm talking what i'm saying

1747
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,440
is it's okay to disagree as long as you

1748
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,280
do so respectfully and we both learn

1749
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,280
more about well let's talk about what

1750
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,520
what what don't you agree with let's

1751
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,839
let's break that down i mean i know he

1752
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,440
said you weren't he decided that you

1753
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:31,839
weren't an expert somehow well so what's

1754
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:35,119
an expert right so i mean

1755
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,720
if i'm the only person you've ever heard

1756
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:38,160
of i might be an expert to you but

1757
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:39,440
tomorrow you might find someone better

1758
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,559
and that's fine

1759
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,400
you know i mean like i don't call myself

1760
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:44,480
an expert you decide who an expert is if

1761
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,920
i'm not the expert for you that's fine

1762
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,359
find what you're looking for move on

1763
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:48,480
carry on i don't know but then he's

1764
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,520
saying great show so yeah yeah so so so

1765
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:53,200
i mean what the point i'm trying to make

1766
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:54,480
is you as the experiencer know what

1767
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,599
you're looking for know what you need

1768
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:58,160
and when you feel it you'll go to it if

1769
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:00,559
you don't feel good about it then you

1770
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,240
won't do it if you stick your hand on

1771
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,319
the stove and burn your hand that hurts

1772
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:06,240
you're not gonna do it again

1773
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:10,319
right so so so the whole idea uh is is

1774
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,319
is for you as the experiencer we want to

1775
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,920
encourage people when they do make

1776
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,839
reports to us not everybody and i don't

1777
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,680
want a million reports i want the best

1778
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,920
of the best i want good quality reports

1779
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,839
if i have to weed them out i mean the

1780
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,920
people that do report understand what we

1781
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,359
need if it's not good for you then

1782
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,039
that's fine

1783
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,880
but the take out the take home for that

1784
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,000
is that you

1785
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:32,240
uh if you are an experiencer is your

1786
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:33,599
you're holding on to that or you're not

1787
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:35,039
holding on to that you're releasing that

1788
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,400
you're going on a podcast and you're

1789
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,000
explaining your story you're you're

1790
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,839
reporting it to mufon or somebody else

1791
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:41,039
because that's your choice but you're at

1792
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,319
least you're at least you're doing all

1793
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:43,680
these things to help because that will

1794
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,079
all come together uh at some point in

1795
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:47,839
the world what we don't want is you

1796
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,400
holding it on inside being afraid

1797
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,799
and and being scared uh and not

1798
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,960
understanding what's really going on and

1799
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,720
and then that causing stress and causing

1800
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,039
ptsd and causing anxiety and then next

1801
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,799
you know uh you go out and you shoot

1802
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,799
your dog because uh

1803
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:04,400
because you're having a bad day

1804
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,400
you know we we we want you to feel good

1805
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,920
and when you start to feel good about

1806
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,680
these experiences these experiences

1807
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,119
become more

1808
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,200
more real and more

1809
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:15,920
more better data is collected

1810
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,079
because a lot of these people i'll give

1811
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:19,920
you an example like working in the field

1812
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,559
as a you know insecurity you know if we

1813
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:24,799
have uh a domestic you know i got to

1814
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,520
de-escalate that situation before

1815
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:29,760
the the the the aggressive party to

1816
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,599
leave the home if i were just to go up

1817
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:33,039
and and remove them from the home i'm

1818
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,480
going to be fighting them right away but

1819
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,160
if i'm able to de-escalate them first

1820
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,680
and then tell them hey it's time to go

1821
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,200
they're going to go

1822
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,839
so so so we de-escalate the experiencer

1823
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:43,280
try to calm them down and then have a

1824
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,799
conversation be like okay what

1825
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,799
information is missing what's real

1826
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,960
what's not real this makes sense let's

1827
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:51,119
look further into this okay i don't

1828
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,480
agree with this i don't agree with that

1829
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,920
this doesn't make sense to me but this

1830
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:56,000
is strange so let's look let's look a

1831
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:57,599
little further into that and then we

1832
01:07:02,470 --> 01:06:59,839
work together and we go there i might be

1833
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:02,480
an expert to them in that moment

1834
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,200
and that's that's that's hard on me

1835
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,440
because because i don't know what

1836
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:09,760
expectation i have

1837
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,119
or that's waiting for them when i do

1838
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:13,200
that when i have people watching me i i

1839
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,160
like i don't want to be that expert i

1840
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:18,880
don't want to be on the top i want but

1841
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,839
as but it i still acknowledge that to

1842
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:23,680
someone viewing me

1843
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:25,520
i might be the only thing they have and

1844
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,480
then that is that is harder

1845
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:30,720
than anything because i could say

1846
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,440
something wrong i could make a mistake i

1847
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,520
could lead them down a wrong path and be

1848
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,359
completely responsible for it which is

1849
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,520
why we have this system which is why we

1850
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,839
have this team which is why we do it all

1851
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,680
together and why we leave it up to

1852
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,880
choice

1853
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,799
you don't have to report if you don't

1854
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,960
want to and even if you do report you

1855
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,280
can be anonymous and you can report to

1856
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,319
other people i mean i mean and but what

1857
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,559
you do what do you get for in return for

1858
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:58,160
reporting to us

1859
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,960
well

1860
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,880
you get automatically you get a copy of

1861
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,480
your report so it's a journal an

1862
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,559
electronic journal you get it's it you

1863
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,720
you unload that from your mind you're

1864
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,880
de-stressed or you might have solved it

1865
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,640
and and you don't need to make a report

1866
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,960
that helps too so i only you have to

1867
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,799
answer every question no i understand

1868
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,080
and you know

1869
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,640
he says uh that you said nobody is doing

1870
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:20,960
these things and then he asks about dr

1871
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,199
leo sprinkle and

1872
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,960
yvonne smith if you're familiar with

1873
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,799
that i'm not familiar with them i mean

1874
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:28,799
if they're doing it then that's that's

1875
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,120
that's good i mean what i mean by nobody

1876
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:34,159
uh is in my circle or in my network in

1877
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:35,839
in in the people that have reached out

1878
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:40,080
to me i'm i'm i'm not finding anyone

1879
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,880
else

1880
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:42,400
doing the same thing and that's kind of

1881
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,920
why i do these episodes and i encourage

1882
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,199
and i talk about these things because

1883
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,440
i'm hoping that someone will come along

1884
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,960
and be like hey i can help you hey i

1885
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,560
know what you're talking about and hey i

1886
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:54,239
i like it because we got to work

1887
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:57,600
together so so so so

1888
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,839
i don't i don't ignore the fact

1889
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,920
that it exists out there but this is

1890
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,520
this is getting it out there i don't

1891
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,120
know how many followers you have i don't

1892
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,480
know how many people are listening to

1893
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,960
this and i and and and i hope that you

1894
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,199
know that by projecting all this other

1895
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:12,960
stuff the right person will come along

1896
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,319
and and and and and join and or or help

1897
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,560
or assist or refer there's like there's

1898
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,960
so many ways of doing it but for them to

1899
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,480
do that we would have to be doing

1900
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:23,839
something right that fits within the

1901
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,480
parameters in which

1902
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:28,880
is what this person's looking for

1903
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:32,400
i can tell you uh that that this model

1904
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:35,920
is is is new um there are other people

1905
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,719
that have tried it uh and failed there

1906
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:40,480
are other people that have tried

1907
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,759
differently and have failed um

1908
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:45,279
we may fail

1909
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:48,640
one day right now this is this is new uh

1910
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:51,040
to us we're doing quite well

1911
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,480
but we're not we're not um

1912
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:56,640
we're not trying to win we're trying to

1913
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:58,640
take care of the experiencer that

1914
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,600
reports to us one experiencer at a time

1915
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,440
and and and

1916
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,159
that experiencer walks away

1917
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:08,880
uh feeling validated and if they're

1918
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,920
private

1919
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,440
uh you know they might refer us to their

1920
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:12,800
neighbor they might refer us they might

1921
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,199
show up at a show one day and and and

1922
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:17,199
shake my hand or you know they might

1923
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,560
show up in a show and punch me in the

1924
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,560
face you know like you know like there's

1925
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,560
there's there's all those risks

1926
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:27,270
i'm not yeah

1927
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,880
you know okay so one of the other one of

1928
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,560
the other questions big questions that i

1929
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:31,760
have for you

1930
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:34,400
is in regards to hypnotic regression

1931
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:35,520
because

1932
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,960
a lot of these a lot of people uh have

1933
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,719
some sort of like

1934
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,280
vague impression that something happened

1935
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,679
and then they go to get the hypnotic

1936
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,440
regression and suddenly they've been

1937
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,920
abducted by aliens i mean there's what i

1938
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:52,000
mean to say is that there's some people

1939
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,679
that are doing hypnotic regressions that

1940
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:55,760
i find less than credible

1941
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,040
um yeah so can you explain to us how is

1942
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,199
it used as a tool how should it be

1943
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,840
properly used and how is it improperly

1944
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,239
used because this is very i love that so

1945
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:08,320
so i i relate

1946
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,679
uh regression hypnotherapy to uh

1947
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:14,000
to like a polygraph test

1948
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,640
so so so a lie detector test uh a line

1949
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:18,640
detector test simply just measures the

1950
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,840
body temperature when asked certain

1951
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:21,840
questions and it gives a rating and then

1952
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,320
you speculate that because the galvanic

1953
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,800
skin responds yeah they had a response

1954
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,480
that there is something not right there

1955
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,760
but it doesn't tell you whether they

1956
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,040
were nervous doesn't tell you whether

1957
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,960
they were lying it doesn't really it

1958
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:34,159
doesn't really

1959
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,840
you know determine that but it's

1960
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,600
circumstantial evidence that's used as a

1961
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:39,199
tool if you started with that without

1962
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,400
building a case

1963
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,880
you know it's not really a strong thing

1964
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,560
but the thing is is you've already asked

1965
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,840
these questions you don't have any

1966
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,280
research you have your answers you can't

1967
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:49,280
research after that you've just spoiled

1968
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,640
the investigation

1969
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:53,120
so if you start with regression and and

1970
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,600
they unlock the mind you can't

1971
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:57,440
investigate the mind before it's

1972
01:12:02,950 --> 01:11:59,679
unopened it's open

1973
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,960
and and and and and and if that

1974
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:04,880
regressionist is

1975
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:08,640
is leading them to a specific path or

1976
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,520
belief that's clouded it's it's that's

1977
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,960
also a risk

1978
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,840
so so what i do

1979
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:17,920
is when the report comes in is i get as

1980
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:20,560
much information as i can back and forth

1981
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,920
doing whatever i can to whatever

1982
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,239
programs we can put through drawings or

1983
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:26,480
or or or or exercises and things like

1984
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,199
that to to to eliminate and validate as

1985
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:31,280
much evidence as possible and then get

1986
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:32,960
to a point where i don't remember or

1987
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,960
that person doesn't remember so then at

1988
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,960
that point i would do some research and

1989
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,480
find some corroborating evidence a

1990
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:40,000
supporting link some other science that

1991
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:41,679
i have that i've done that that from

1992
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,120
other cases that would reinforce that

1993
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,440
this person is similar to this

1994
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,280
then i would make that referral with the

1995
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,239
expectation that even if they whatever

1996
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:52,640
comes out of that they're gone forever

1997
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:56,000
because i can't i can't i can't on

1998
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:57,440
undo that

1999
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:01,040
so so so the hope is is that when i

2000
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:03,120
refer to a specific regression

2001
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,120
hypnotherapist

2002
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:07,120
that when i give them a specific i'll

2003
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,640
give them a task i'll say i want you to

2004
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,800
go back to a certain time

2005
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,480
and a date

2006
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,880
and that's it and ask them what they see

2007
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,960
and go from there nothing direct nothing

2008
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:18,960
specific they know nothing so i don't

2009
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,520
tell the regression uh hypnotherapist

2010
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:23,040
what it is i'm looking for i just tell

2011
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,159
them when

2012
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,000
and i don't and i encourage the

2013
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,480
experiencer not to tell the regression

2014
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,640
hypnotherapist anything about the event

2015
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:32,560
until after the session

2016
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,679
show that

2017
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,600
and then once it's recorded right so

2018
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,199
they they record the audio for me they

2019
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,960
send that back i listen to it i compare

2020
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:40,400
that to my report my notes that are

2021
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,640
already written and then i can pull from

2022
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,880
that things that are similar things that

2023
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,719
match things that add and all those

2024
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:48,640
other things and that's the only way

2025
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:50,960
that i can really trust to use that tool

2026
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,360
especially if it correlates with

2027
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,600
information i already have

2028
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:57,440
so that also proves credibility because

2029
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,640
we don't know if the experience here is

2030
01:14:01,430 --> 01:14:00,080
lying we don't know all these other

2031
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,440
things we don't know if the hypnosis

2032
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,880
really works on some people and some

2033
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,400
people it doesn't so there's a lot of

2034
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:06,320
factors um

2035
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:09,120
that that weigh in on that we they most

2036
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:10,960
regression hypnotherapists do charge for

2037
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:13,600
that as they should it's a service

2038
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,400
and and and we don't know uh if there's

2039
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:17,840
a selling point to that where they're

2040
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,520
going to want them to come back and buy

2041
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:21,679
another session more sessions and things

2042
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,159
like that so there's always those risks

2043
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,640
involved so so i i get as much as i can

2044
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:29,040
before i send them away

2045
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:30,560
and then

2046
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,920
never

2047
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,400
ever use regression hypnotherapy

2048
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:38,719
unless

2049
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:40,000
i need

2050
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,920
unless there's a blockage in the mind

2051
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:43,199
and the other thing too is i have to

2052
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,960
take in consideration

2053
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,360
that um

2054
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:48,719
that

2055
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,520
the suspect of the event might be a

2056
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:54,000
human being a human being and if it is a

2057
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,440
human being then there would be criminal

2058
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,880
charges and we'd have to report that to

2059
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:59,040
the authorities so so there's there's a

2060
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:00,560
lot there would have to be abuse there

2061
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,120
would have to be like a bunch of things

2062
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,080
uh that uh we would have to be prepared

2063
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,920
for because the regression hypnotherapy

2064
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,400
isn't a therapist or or a psychologist

2065
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,080
they can't like they they once those

2066
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:13,679
markers are identified we have to

2067
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:16,640
contact the authorities so so so that is

2068
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,239
a very very very very risky thing to do

2069
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,320
um because you could be tampering with

2070
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,120
the worry that i have is that some of

2071
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,280
these less let's just call some of them

2072
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:29,679
less than credible hypnotic regressions

2073
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,719
people that focus on alien abductees

2074
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:35,199
are either leading them or they could be

2075
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,880
altering their memories or implanting

2076
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,719
memories yeah it depends on how they ask

2077
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,640
where is it that really where is it it

2078
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,400
really is so so the investigators should

2079
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,800
be in the room if possible uh to make

2080
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,159
sure that the questions aren't leading

2081
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,719
kind of similar to uh you know a an

2082
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:53,040
educator in a courtroom making sure

2083
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,320
that you know the lawyers are getting

2084
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,159
along with each other you know you know

2085
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,560
and and and you you have a guidance and

2086
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,920
a rule and that standard and i'll teach

2087
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,159
you how to do all that in the academy

2088
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,920
um but

2089
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,520
i would refer

2090
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:07,199
like

2091
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:08,880
there's other ways to unlock so but what

2092
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,800
you're saying is you don't use it unless

2093
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,280
there's a real reason to and i know

2094
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,679
people seem to do it for every single

2095
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:17,840
case no they do i would never and i only

2096
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:20,640
referred to a special a small

2097
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:24,000
group of people and it is and it is like

2098
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:26,400
a relationship has been built like it's

2099
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,360
not and it's like

2100
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,120
i would i wouldn't i wouldn't do it i

2101
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,520
would not go for it um

2102
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:36,000
not saying it's not helpful i mean for

2103
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,679
the research part

2104
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,920
now it now it does it is now you can go

2105
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:41,840
to them independently and report a

2106
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,239
memory enhancement too right like i mean

2107
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:46,800
it's it's very useful in many ways yeah

2108
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:49,360
i've read a story one time of of a

2109
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:51,840
kidnapping that was solved

2110
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:54,800
because somebody saw the license plate

2111
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:57,040
of a van that grabbed the child threw

2112
01:17:02,229 --> 01:16:59,280
the child in a van and left

2113
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,239
but he only could remember two or so of

2114
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,400
the things but he said i'm sure i saw it

2115
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,560
i can't believe i tried to find a pen i

2116
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,560
couldn't write it down they put this guy

2117
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,560
on hypno hypnotic regression they got a

2118
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,760
great hypnotic

2119
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,199
regression person

2120
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,159
and he gave them every digit of the of

2121
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,640
the license plate they tracked it down

2122
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,000
save the child

2123
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:22,960
in that case i say thank god for

2124
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:26,000
hypnotic regression yeah it does it does

2125
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:27,600
it does work

2126
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:30,080
um

2127
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,840
that's a different game though there's a

2128
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:33,679
lot of real factors that can be traced

2129
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,480
and can be leaked and and can be uh uh

2130
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:38,560
followed up on follow through on

2131
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,480
like if it's an extraterrestrial how the

2132
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,320
hell am i going to confirm that i can't

2133
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,280
yeah

2134
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,120
right so so i don't really i want i

2135
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,840
don't really want to do that so so

2136
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,440
um

2137
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,719
you know can we get to the comments

2138
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:54,080
there's a lot of people chirping i want

2139
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:54,960
i wanna

2140
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,239
you have comments or questions for ryan

2141
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:01,840
please do so respectfully we're always

2142
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,280
responsible

2143
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:05,440
i just want to i want to chirp back so

2144
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:07,280
let's let's let's yeah so

2145
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,920
any questions for ryan in all caps and

2146
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,280
we'll share them on the screen and ryan

2147
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:13,440
can respond to every one of you who

2148
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:15,280
would like to interact like i mean

2149
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,159
active show and uh i'm good to go for

2150
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:20,320
uh a while so i mean you don't have to

2151
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:21,679
capture

2152
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,760
sure yeah i forgot to even ask you about

2153
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:25,199
a length we're already up to almost an

2154
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,640
hour to have seen this stuff well we

2155
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,000
gotta we're gonna do deal with the

2156
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:30,000
hecklers like i mean like no i don't

2157
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,600
think you're being heckled i think no no

2158
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,199
no i mean i don't have a problem with it

2159
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,960
what i wanted a few people early on is

2160
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:36,880
like i don't i don't know about this guy

2161
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:37,840
and later

2162
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,430
you know that's what i'm saying yeah so

2163
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,760
let's get let's get the questions in all

2164
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:48,719
yeah

2165
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:50,560
somebody did ask earlier what your

2166
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,520
favorite ufo case was and why or what

2167
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:55,440
case you felt is the most credible and

2168
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,400
why

2169
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,360
i'm i'm i'm uncertain right now the the

2170
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,760
falcon lake incident in canada and shag

2171
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:03,360
harbor those two

2172
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,159
uh

2173
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,159
claim to have the most significant

2174
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:08,400
evidence i mean canada's make coins for

2175
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,600
them you know like they recognize them

2176
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:13,520
uh as as events

2177
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,000
but uh you know i haven't i haven't

2178
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:18,640
investigated them personally myself

2179
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,640
um so i i would i would say those um i

2180
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,239
do have a plan to put boots on the

2181
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,760
ground and go to these places and dig up

2182
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:27,520
new evidence uh you know the pandemic

2183
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:30,239
obviously has prevented that um

2184
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:31,600
so those would be kind of the cases i'd

2185
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:33,280
like to go to canada does have some

2186
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,679
historic cases that they have released

2187
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,159
documents on on on sightings you know i

2188
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,080
like canadian cases because i'm so

2189
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,000
unfamiliar with most of them yeah you

2190
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,320
know what i mean we have dived into most

2191
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:46,560
of the americans did you know that we as

2192
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:49,280
canada canadians have to uh

2193
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,960
create what's uh called a service

2194
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,239
document ad

2195
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,000
communication i am aware of that yeah

2196
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,159
you guys are required by law report yeah

2197
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:58,080
to report whatever happens we take the

2198
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:59,600
report and we send it to you

2199
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:01,760
and then you guys do the investigations

2200
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:04,640
so so like you know like so so my angle

2201
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,960
is is if i can solve if i can figure out

2202
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,400
what's going on here then that might

2203
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:09,920
help you guys figure out what's going on

2204
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,159
there uh same thing for the document

2205
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:14,000
releases that we see

2206
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,520
i'm not very familiar with the canadian

2207
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:17,600
ones so i'm very interested actually

2208
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,960
your book is high on my list because

2209
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,480
i've probably never seen half of those

2210
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,560
things and i've won

2211
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,719
we got some on our website too big fat

2212
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,040
creep is here and asks what about the 94

2213
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:28,880
aerial school that one always tripped me

2214
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,159
out are you familiar with that case and

2215
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,080
what do you think of him of that case

2216
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:34,239
that's one with the children in africa i

2217
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,880
was just gonna say that okay yeah um

2218
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:38,480
they've covered that so many times too i

2219
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,600
mean that's multicast so multiple

2220
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,000
testimonies most of multiple experiences

2221
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,239
they were children so so they didn't

2222
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,800
know any anything better uh assuming

2223
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:48,239
they're telling the truth

2224
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:49,600
uh

2225
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,719
they could have been manipulated it

2226
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:52,159
could have been lied to i mean let's but

2227
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,440
let's give them a benefit of the doubt

2228
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,040
then they come back years later tell the

2229
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:58,000
same story uh i i mean yeah i saw that

2230
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,679
on james fox documentary and i was

2231
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:01,040
surprised

2232
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,800
and how many of them tell the exact same

2233
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:04,800
story 20 years later

2234
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,120
many years later the problem is the

2235
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,120
problem is it's how we hear about these

2236
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,800
things we have to get on podcasts we

2237
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:12,080
have to get on radio we have to get on

2238
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,600
tv we have to do all this so people know

2239
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:14,960
you exist

2240
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:19,270
if every single case could get on there

2241
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,880
then we would you know you know it's

2242
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,560
just a matter of what sells and what's

2243
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,080
what's fascinating and things like that

2244
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,920
too so like that case is significant to

2245
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,280
me as far as

2246
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,760
uh having multiple witnesses but it's

2247
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,440
the same stuff it's beings it's it's

2248
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,760
it's ufos it's drawings it's it's it's

2249
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:35,520
the evidence is still

2250
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:36,480
weak

2251
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,400
um but you have multiple testimony so so

2252
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,400
that makes it stronger so i like that in

2253
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:44,400
terms of of evidence

2254
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,719
because i'm an evidence guy i mean a lot

2255
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:48,239
of people there's a lot to dig into

2256
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:49,199
there

2257
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,480
can you can measure you know compare

2258
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:58,000
their dna you can compare their blood

2259
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,520
types compare their eye color you can do

2260
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,880
a lot of research on these these

2261
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:02,960
experiencers themselves to see what's

2262
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,870
even well this is a this is a revelation

2263
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,800
to me ufo watchdog who's one of the most

2264
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:13,040
skeptical people that i know says i

2265
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,440
think the aerial school case is legit

2266
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,760
and uh spooky with an excellent question

2267
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,760
because everybody wants to know

2268
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:22,239
uh probably what you think of her claims

2269
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,280
have you heard of this anjali person

2270
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,920
no that's new to me i'm okay yeah she

2271
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,199
claims that she

2272
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,360
met some aliens in a base somebody took

2273
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,360
her to a base inside a mountain it's a

2274
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,520
big story we did a big interview here

2275
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,120
our most watched show was an interview

2276
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,360
with her about her experience

2277
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,280
like i don't

2278
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,679
this belief that these guys are

2279
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,840
experiencing things what i'm trying to

2280
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:47,440
understand

2281
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:48,639
is why

2282
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:52,719
that person is and i'm not or why

2283
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:55,840
you are and this other person isn't so

2284
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:58,400
i'm trying to figure out also

2285
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,040
uh you know if you guys share

2286
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,760
uh eye colors uh you guys share blood

2287
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:06,000
type you guys here yeah you know certain

2288
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,679
things and once i'm able to uh prototype

2289
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,639
the ideal or uh experiencer based on

2290
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,159
this criteria

2291
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,159
but and and depending on what it is

2292
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,159
especially with the psychogenic stuff i

2293
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,880
want to get them all in a room and you

2294
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,639
know according to the study you know all

2295
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,080
you guys uh

2296
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,800
claim uh uh that you can levitate an

2297
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:27,840
object

2298
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,639
so i want you all in the same room and

2299
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,800
and i want you to levitate this object i

2300
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:35,199
want you to see it and if they all work

2301
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,480
and if they all work together

2302
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:40,560
according to science

2303
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,719
they should be able to lift that object

2304
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:45,120
so so i'm also building teams of groups

2305
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,960
of people that claim to be able to see

2306
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,960
these same things and and measuring the

2307
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,040
methods now i don't have to believe you

2308
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:53,520
or not i'm paying attention to how

2309
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:54,880
you are

2310
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:55,760
how

2311
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:58,000
you are tapping in

2312
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,920
whether it's meditation whether it's

2313
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,080
lucid dreaming whether it's just out of

2314
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,120
nowhere psychogenic download you know

2315
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:08,159
however the message is received

2316
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,840
and then we're going to attempt to use

2317
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:12,239
those methods together because that's

2318
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:13,920
what works for you

2319
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,159
you know i some people like to have a

2320
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,080
phone call but they can't text worth

2321
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:20,719
worth of [\h__\h] so so you know that's a

2322
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,679
method but it's still communication

2323
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:25,360
right i would have everybody together

2324
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:26,719
and do a phone call because that

2325
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:28,080
conference because that works for

2326
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,239
everybody i wouldn't have them text

2327
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,000
because it's not comfortable for them so

2328
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,480
when i build these teams of psychogenic

2329
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:36,960
uh with these psychic abilities that are

2330
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,679
able to do these same things that don't

2331
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:41,360
know each other put them all in a room

2332
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:42,080
and

2333
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:43,600
introduce them for the first time

2334
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,600
because i control the variables i know

2335
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,840
that they don't know each other

2336
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:48,880
i do

2337
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:51,199
and then and then i'd be like okay guys

2338
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:52,800
right because one of the questions is

2339
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,560
are you willing to test this phenomenon

2340
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:56,639
are you willing to prove once and for

2341
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,239
all that this stuff and we put that all

2342
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,480
together and and we'd be like

2343
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,600
all right let's do a ce5 not just a

2344
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:05,520
group of random people that may not be

2345
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,520
experiencers or there are just

2346
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:10,000
enthusiasts or looking for a thrill i

2347
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,080
want a group of vetted experiencers who

2348
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,040
have made contact in some way with a

2349
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,520
specific method and then make contact

2350
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:22,000
and if we are spooky as a contact then

2351
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:24,159
there's validation

2352
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,679
the spooky is here asking what would

2353
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,520
happen that that's exactly what you're

2354
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,199
talking about what would happen if they

2355
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,040
all meditated together

2356
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:33,360
the best analogy or example of that is

2357
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,400
is when monks meditate and they and they

2358
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,360
uh resonate with um so so so if they

2359
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,520
there's a video online there's a couple

2360
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,199
of studies that show it that if they're

2361
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:45,520
all doing that together that vibration

2362
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:48,719
is magnified it's matched and they're

2363
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,440
able to levitate an object through

2364
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:52,800
sound

2365
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,600
so so so so the the science is there if

2366
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,760
they work together it's there but there

2367
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,520
has to be a team

2368
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:01,199
and they all have to have the same

2369
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,800
parameters they all have to be

2370
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:05,040
comfortable they all have to be

2371
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,280
able to do that and i have to have them

2372
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,320
in an area where they trust where the

2373
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,480
media is not going to show up

2374
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:14,239
and where you know all these other

2375
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,600
things because i don't want to i don't

2376
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,400
want to publicize this i'll record it

2377
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,719
sure and then we'll broadcast it once

2378
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:22,480
everybody's home and safe and i blurred

2379
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,920
out all their faces because i got to

2380
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:25,600
protect these people too

2381
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:27,280
but it doesn't matter what they look

2382
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,400
like

2383
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,040
if the object in the room is levitating

2384
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,120
so there's a lot of there's a lot of

2385
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,800
things about the evidence that people

2386
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:36,159
think are important that are not

2387
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,310
you you know what i'm saying yeah

2388
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:44,880
yeah and i guess uh

2389
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,719
you know one of my other questions would

2390
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:48,000
be

2391
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,320
do you get some sense of what percentage

2392
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:52,560
of these experiencers are seeing gray

2393
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,320
aliens versus human looking aliens or

2394
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,239
mantid aliens so

2395
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,480
that that part will

2396
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,560
i need more data that that's the plan

2397
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:05,040
for next year's sample maybe the year

2398
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,639
after

2399
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,400
the ultra spectrum right now is going to

2400
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:10,719
be the first report it's going to be two

2401
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,719
years of study it's only 134 cases

2402
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,280
of good vetted cases but to be

2403
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,440
completely honest only 22 percent of

2404
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:21,120
that right now i i don't know if that's

2405
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,239
my final total uh is only usable so i'm

2406
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,840
also emphasizing that a lot of people

2407
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,520
don't know i don't know how to report

2408
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:29,280
and don't know how to collect evidence

2409
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:31,040
or don't know what evidence is so i

2410
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,199
gotta work on teaching people how to how

2411
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:35,360
to report better and and to get better

2412
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,480
evidence

2413
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:39,840
but then with the 22 percent that i have

2414
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:42,000
there are some variants there are some

2415
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:45,199
similar pictures uh drawings like cloaks

2416
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,679
for an example i have a variance of what

2417
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:49,840
look like shadow figures i have a very

2418
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,199
or or extraterrestrials grays reptilians

2419
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:55,280
but they're all wearing a black cloak so

2420
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:58,080
this this cloak seems to be a common

2421
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:00,159
thing which is weird to me but i've

2422
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:02,080
never heard of all seeing this cloak but

2423
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,000
they're interpreting whatever the vision

2424
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,639
is as whatever however the rays whatever

2425
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,239
they believe maybe they they don't they

2426
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:09,920
only see they see shadow figures because

2427
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,199
they're a paranormal person and they

2428
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:13,120
don't believe in aliens maybe they see

2429
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,480
the reptilian because they believe in

2430
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:16,960
the aliens you know and and not seeing a

2431
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,120
ghost but these cloaks

2432
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,440
uh make me

2433
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,440
suggest that they are seeing something

2434
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,199
because these cloaks are common and

2435
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,880
maybe the cloaks aren't actual cloaks

2436
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:28,480
it's just a shadow it's a human like

2437
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,719
it's just a dark it's the mass so it's

2438
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,719
it's there's there's so

2439
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:34,800
so the plan is to do that but i need

2440
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:36,239
more data which means i need more

2441
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:38,400
reports so if any of you guys are you

2442
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:39,920
know you know proof's in the pudding

2443
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,840
make a

2444
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,199
report and and and you'll be able to

2445
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,199
check out ryan trying to get more data

2446
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:47,040
yeah i'd highly encourage anybody well

2447
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,080
what do you get what do you get out of

2448
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,400
that as i was saying before you get

2449
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,800
you get a copy of it and you also get an

2450
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,560
agreement you tend to tell me what you

2451
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,000
want to do with it you tell me what kind

2452
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:58,000
of support you're looking for how i can

2453
01:29:02,310 --> 01:28:59,280
help and then i and then that kind of

2454
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,320
gives me a goal on how to work with you

2455
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,560
uh once the investigation is done it

2456
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,560
gets it's get table into the data gets

2457
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:08,320
put in the in the reports at the end of

2458
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:09,440
the year

2459
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:11,120
of course anonymously and all that other

2460
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,719
stuff you get to sign an experience your

2461
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:14,800
number uh if you're in the unknown so

2462
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:16,880
that number is private to you it'll be

2463
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,320
in the report but you'll know when you

2464
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,560
see that number that that means you

2465
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:23,199
and then all those other things too

2466
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,280
if you have evidence then you'll get a

2467
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:27,520
recreation video in which we we we

2468
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,400
recreate the event to show other

2469
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:32,800
experiencers what you saw to encourage

2470
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,480
them to report to because what we're

2471
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,880
hoping for is them to be like hey i saw

2472
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,560
that too and then we get a report and

2473
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:40,800
that kind of corroborates the data uh

2474
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,320
you get you get invited to our annual um

2475
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:46,480
um which we're starting this year our

2476
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:48,080
experiencer day

2477
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,159
so i think it's december 9th is going to

2478
01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:52,560
be our experience for day

2479
01:29:56,030 --> 01:29:53,679
where

2480
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,040
experiencers from our

2481
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:58,400
2019-2020 study those who want to come

2482
01:30:02,229 --> 01:29:59,360
forward

2483
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:02,239
stories and their experiences and i'll

2484
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,000
be sharing the investigation and the

2485
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,400
research that we've done on that

2486
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:08,159
on december 9th

2487
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:09,760
so you get to participate in that and

2488
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:11,679
then and then also

2489
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:13,840
as an experiencer you'll get an

2490
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:15,679
experience for your id card which is

2491
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:17,360
private to you and then if you ever show

2492
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:19,280
up to any event you just show us that

2493
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:20,719
card and you get special perks and

2494
01:30:24,340 --> 01:30:22,800
special privileges maybe discounts stuff

2495
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:24,350
like that because why

2496
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,440
[Music]

2497
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,800
you're part of the research you're part

2498
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,159
of the study you came forward and you

2499
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:30,239
gave us information that we can use so

2500
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:31,679
all you have to do is show up and show

2501
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:33,120
us that identification that you that

2502
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:34,480
you're one of us

2503
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:36,560
and and and you get something in return

2504
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,480
for that so so it's not it's not just

2505
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:40,400
about getting the data it's it's about

2506
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:43,280
it's about giving me the opportunity to

2507
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,199
to thank you giving you the opportunity

2508
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:47,040
to to learn and to you know there's so

2509
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:49,679
many things which is why less is more i

2510
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,159
can't i don't need to have a hundred

2511
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:54,639
thousand cases of bad data like mufon

2512
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,080
does uh i just need to have you know a

2513
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:01,199
good 100 cases of really good

2514
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:02,880
information i don't want to have 22

2515
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:05,120
percent of usable data i want to have

2516
01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:07,360
like 80 usable data i want to get that

2517
01:31:12,629 --> 01:31:09,679
number up so it's all used in in the

2518
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:12,639
entire sample so so so this is a process

2519
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:15,040
this is this is uh you know this is

2520
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,040
going to take a couple years to to

2521
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:19,679
balance the lineup but uh

2522
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:20,880
you know

2523
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:22,480
we're not going anywhere

2524
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:24,239
here's what i definitely didn't want to

2525
01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:26,159
miss because i i've definitely heard

2526
01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:28,239
this before uh m

2527
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:29,120
yeah

2528
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,840
asks what does a long rod indicate that

2529
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:33,760
aliens are reported to be holding in

2530
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:36,480
abductions i've heard several

2531
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:42,550
again we have to we can only speculate

2532
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:45,040
on it when the person draws it i mean

2533
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:46,639
what does it look like you call it a

2534
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:48,960
long rod like i mean it could be a pole

2535
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,520
it could be it could be a light it like

2536
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:53,679
it just it's just the experiencer is

2537
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:54,719
drawing

2538
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,480
uh what they see or what they're

2539
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,400
interpreting it as i won't be able to

2540
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,239
identify that they won't be able to

2541
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:02,639
identify that we would need that that

2542
01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:04,400
extraterrestrial to come forward and say

2543
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:06,080
hey this is what it is

2544
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:09,199
and and but we be able to come close to

2545
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,880
that like i said with the cloaks if i

2546
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,480
can i can i can say that at least in

2547
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:13,920
this study this cloak seems to be a

2548
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:16,239
common thing uh you know similar to like

2549
01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:17,600
black triangles you know depending on

2550
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:18,639
what you're measuring but this just

2551
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:19,760
seems to be

2552
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:21,199
um

2553
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,320
what's you know what's popular so if

2554
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:26,880
i i'm sorry i can't i can't identify

2555
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:29,840
that without uh

2556
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,040
no talking

2557
01:32:35,110 --> 01:32:33,199
no not even with the data i need i need

2558
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:35,120
to talk to the to the person well i

2559
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:37,360
wouldn't if somebody said that they uh

2560
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:39,520
they had the rod and they and they and

2561
01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:41,280
and you know they floated things with

2562
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,120
the rod i mean that might indicate what

2563
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:45,360
the rods for yeah so so it says so then

2564
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:47,760
we gotta look at what kind of materials

2565
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,679
uh could uh

2566
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:51,840
could cause that type of manipulation

2567
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:54,480
and you know what science already exists

2568
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:56,000
where that technology could come from if

2569
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:57,760
we can prove that technology exists then

2570
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:59,199
then it's possible but then we have to

2571
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:00,639
look into how the experiencer may have

2572
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,560
come to know that whether they're in a

2573
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:03,920
sleep state you know all these other

2574
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:06,159
things too but i don't really want to

2575
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:08,080
need to dive deep into that because if

2576
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:09,600
you've seen something and i can compare

2577
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:10,880
it to other stuff that's good enough for

2578
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:13,679
me i'm not trying to debunk it i'm

2579
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:15,199
trying to

2580
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:16,560
i'm trying

2581
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:20,400
to get enough data so i can do a study

2582
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:22,639
and i can do experiments and actually

2583
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:25,360
call these things out so i need

2584
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,719
information that points me in in the hot

2585
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,080
spot

2586
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,639
so that way i can do environmental

2587
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:34,560
experimentation and experimentation

2588
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:36,719
experimentation

2589
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:39,760
you know so so so if one if one of those

2590
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:41,920
people in that batch is wrong

2591
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:44,080
but you know but 10 of them are right

2592
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:46,159
it's still going to narrow it down uh

2593
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:48,639
you know and then as that data increases

2594
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,480
uh you know those those numbers will

2595
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,239
become smaller and smaller and then

2596
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:54,560
we'll fine-tune uh you know like right

2597
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:57,520
now the the biggest batch is in ontario

2598
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,400
that's probably because i'm in ontario

2599
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,880
and i market in ontario and ontario has

2600
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:04,400
the largest one of the largest yeah no

2601
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:05,760
no it is the largest population in

2602
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:06,800
canada

2603
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,719
but that doesn't mean it's a hot spot it

2604
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:10,480
just means that's where we're marketing

2605
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:13,120
so so so what that tells me is with well

2606
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:14,719
i'll look at none of it for example i

2607
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,560
got one report none of it that tells me

2608
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:18,000
that someone out there heard about it

2609
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:19,760
and i'm happy about that but it also

2610
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:22,080
tells me uh that not a lot of people

2611
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,600
heard about it so i'm going to market

2612
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:25,280
and none of it i'm going to get people

2613
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:27,679
uh get more people in in those areas i

2614
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:30,000
like to go to places that don't have us

2615
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:32,800
not not the populated places the people

2616
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:35,040
that don't have the chance that never

2617
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:37,760
had the experience or the opportunity to

2618
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:39,679
share their experiences that's why i'm

2619
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:41,360
focusing on canada not just because i'm

2620
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:43,920
a canadian but because the the american

2621
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,400
ufology story could probably assist

2622
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:48,480
uh get an assist by understanding what

2623
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:50,239
the canadian story is because we give

2624
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:52,080
you the information so if you get

2625
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:54,719
disclosure we get disclosure too

2626
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:57,040
you know but our perspective is a little

2627
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:58,400
bit different

2628
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,880
you know it might be possible because we

2629
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:02,719
have to give you the information that we

2630
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,560
know the answers but we can't say

2631
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:06,880
anything because we don't want war so

2632
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:08,960
there's a lot of reasons why our you

2633
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:12,239
know that our borders differ and and and

2634
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:14,480
that can't be that can't exclude the the

2635
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:16,880
ufo phenomenon and and we also have mk

2636
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:19,040
ultra we also have we you know we have

2637
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,960
science experiments in that too penitent

2638
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:22,639
machine where i'm from has one of the

2639
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:24,639
old cycle psych wars where they were

2640
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:27,520
doing uh my manipulation and just down

2641
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,000
the road from where i am so like you

2642
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:32,239
know like we have all those things too

2643
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,040
we have operation matchbook which is the

2644
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:38,000
equivalent of operation paperclip we

2645
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,800
took

2646
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,040
german engineers as well

2647
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,159
and we also have what's called project

2648
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:47,910
not project blue book that's with you

2649
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:50,320
guys we have project

2650
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:53,840
magnet project magnet is our equivalent

2651
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:56,320
of project blue book and project second

2652
01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,199
story would be our equivalent of the

2653
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:01,920
condon report that shut it shut down

2654
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,239
project blue book so we have the same

2655
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:06,800
story we have the same thing that

2656
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,440
happened at the same time we called it

2657
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,679
different things because we're

2658
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,199
working

2659
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:15,600
both all involved in the cold war we're

2660
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:17,600
all involved in all those wars so we all

2661
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,280
know what that technology is or what

2662
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:21,679
that technology isn't but the canadian

2663
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:23,520
perspective so far

2664
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:26,880
is german technology so far you know so

2665
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,679
so so but that's what we think

2666
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,520
but that's not what you think so so

2667
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,880
who's right and who's wrong who's right

2668
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:35,360
is wrong yeah right so that's why canada

2669
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:37,280
doesn't care so much about this ufo

2670
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:38,960
thing happening in the states why maybe

2671
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:41,360
because they know that the truth and

2672
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,639
like he was like you know what hey you

2673
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:44,800
guys been lying for so long good for you

2674
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,360
uh you know good luck see you later and

2675
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:50,400
you know uh because we want our ufo uh

2676
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:51,119
uh

2677
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,480
independence as well

2678
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:54,239
and and we're working on that disclosure

2679
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,199
here in in and try to try to separate uh

2680
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:59,600
uh uh or at least puts push that story

2681
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,719
forward too

2682
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:02,719
uh and you know and that's where people

2683
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:05,440
like grant cameron who who will go to

2684
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,600
uh but he but grant

2685
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,679
i love grant i do

2686
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,880
but he's not pushing the canadian

2687
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:12,639
narrative he's he's piggybacking on the

2688
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,159
on on the american american stuff is

2689
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,840
what's happening you know what and and

2690
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,920
you know what maybe maybe that's because

2691
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:19,360
he knows like i said they have the

2692
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:21,040
answers we get them to say yes we'll get

2693
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:22,320
answers too

2694
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,880
but i mean i'm trying i'm trying to push

2695
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:26,400
the canadian narrative so that way more

2696
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:28,159
canadians can understand that we have

2697
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,920
problems too and we have the answers to

2698
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:31,199
and there's a lot going on that we could

2699
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:32,480
share we have

2700
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:33,440
8

2701
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:35,520
nine thousand declassified documents

2702
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,119
some of which are actually sitting

2703
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:38,960
behind me right there in these folders i

2704
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:40,080
just

2705
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:46,000
is transcribe them put them in the uh on

2706
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,280
our website so they can become

2707
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:49,040
searchable in our database there's a lot

2708
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:50,560
of there's a lot of things that i got to

2709
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:52,480
do plus i plus i work

2710
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:55,040
you know as a real pi so like i mean i

2711
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:58,159
do i do this for a living so as as our

2712
01:38:02,709 --> 01:37:59,920
team grows we do have some volunteers

2713
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:02,719
that are helping you know there's plenty

2714
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:05,360
of documents to go around the best way

2715
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:07,040
you know

2716
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,560
to get this information out i'll give

2717
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:10,320
you documents you transcribe when we cut

2718
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,920
them up you know like that's that's

2719
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:13,280
that's a minimum

2720
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,639
and then you guys get answers too i mean

2721
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:18,560
i think that would be a win-win somebody

2722
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:20,000
asked uh

2723
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:21,520
what your opinion i suppose of the

2724
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,520
e-city ranch are you familiar with that

2725
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,679
it's a ranch where uh

2726
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,080
james gillian claims you know spaceships

2727
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:30,480
fly over his ranch all the time and

2728
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,800
he charges money for people

2729
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:34,960
kind of same scenario yeah i think he's

2730
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:37,360
i think he's uh trying to she's off

2731
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,679
their gig but he holds these events

2732
01:38:43,750 --> 01:38:41,360
where people see flashing lights in the

2733
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:43,760
sky and many people have speculated that

2734
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:46,239
he's showing people satellites

2735
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:48,239
and he even used the satellite you know

2736
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:50,080
he kept looking at his watch i had one

2737
01:38:53,030 --> 01:38:51,600
person go to an event and said he kept

2738
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:53,040
looking at his watch and saying yeah

2739
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:54,800
they're going to be overhead any day any

2740
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,840
minute now well that would make

2741
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:59,119
sense yeah you can measure all these

2742
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:00,560
things so the thing too with project

2743
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,760
blue book and all that other stuff we

2744
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:02,960
didn't have the technology that we have

2745
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:04,960
today to measure all this stuff

2746
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:06,639
uh so so the game's a little bit

2747
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:07,679
different

2748
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,159
but i mean let's talk about the idea i

2749
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:12,400
guess of of having a location and

2750
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,480
selling uh tickets to uh to see an event

2751
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,239
so so so

2752
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:20,000
i mean yeah people are paying money

2753
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,280
they're good you're gonna make sure they

2754
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:23,040
see something you know it's it's like

2755
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:24,560
hey going for a dolphin cruise and you

2756
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,840
don't see any dolphins are you gonna you

2757
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,360
know they say hey well they just weren't

2758
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,800
out there today but you still got the

2759
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:30,560
boat experience you still have the ranch

2760
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:31,679
you know you still do all those other

2761
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,520
things so as long as you're going in and

2762
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:35,040
you're paying and you know

2763
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:37,760
that uh you know to expect that i mean

2764
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,920
there's not really a reason for that i

2765
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:42,000
mean a problem with that

2766
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,000
um i i

2767
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,480
don't think you need to go to a specific

2768
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:48,239
place i think if we're able to connect

2769
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:49,600
through consciousness that you can go

2770
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:50,719
anywhere

2771
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:53,600
so so those people that are are i would

2772
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,360
look further into the motive i would

2773
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,600
look further into what they're

2774
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:59,280
raising the money for what they're using

2775
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,840
the money for it's your money so like if

2776
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,360
you're if you just want to go and check

2777
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:05,119
the place out because you heard is cool

2778
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:06,639
and then you go once and that's that's

2779
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,560
that's that's okay people do ghost tours

2780
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:09,920
and ghost hunts

2781
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,840
in places that aren't even haunted but

2782
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,440
it's the thrill and

2783
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:15,440
and and it's the experience that's the

2784
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:16,960
experience and people like that as long

2785
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,880
as you as long

2786
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,719
as you know that going in you shouldn't

2787
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:23,119
be disappointed the problem i have is if

2788
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,199
you're like a psychic medium

2789
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:26,880
and you say that i can talk to your dead

2790
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:29,600
ones and then you get a message and then

2791
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:32,080
you're like i it's it's you know i'll

2792
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:33,840
tell and then you tell them a little bit

2793
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,040
and then

2794
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:38,480
to to get the full reading because you

2795
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:41,520
didn't we ran out of time or or people

2796
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:42,880
like uh

2797
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,040
like yeah like like

2798
01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:47,840
louisando and richard dolan

2799
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,159
okay they did an event where where where

2800
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,560
richard and dolan had interviewed uh lou

2801
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,880
elizondo but it was a paid event you had

2802
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:56,239
to pay

2803
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,840
to hear this guy

2804
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:59,840
interview this guy

2805
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:00,960
if it was

2806
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:02,800
important enough for ufology he would

2807
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:03,920
have done it for free because he gets

2808
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:06,400
monetization on his youtube a guy brings

2809
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:09,679
uh you know easily 600 bucks a week uh

2810
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:12,080
p.i i can learn all i i know all these

2811
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,960
things so so he he he you know he's

2812
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:16,159
bringing in the revenue from the

2813
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:18,080
attention why not why not just do it

2814
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,000
there but there was an opportunity

2815
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:21,920
because of his reputation and lose

2816
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:24,000
reputation that people wanted to pay

2817
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:25,679
some money but then there's people

2818
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:27,840
disappointed because because they paid

2819
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:30,239
for it and they got the same story

2820
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,679
you know stuff that they do on free

2821
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,119
videos so what is exactly so that's

2822
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:35,040
where i have a problem you know when we

2823
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,080
do a retreat when we do our expo as well

2824
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:40,320
we're going to run into similar problems

2825
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,360
and and and and what we don't want to do

2826
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,239
is have uh a bunch of lecturers saying

2827
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,639
the same stuff uh we want to create an

2828
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:50,719
environment where where you get to

2829
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:52,719
interact so if grant cameron say for an

2830
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:55,520
example uh being canadian was part of

2831
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:57,679
this event you're not there to hear him

2832
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:59,440
speak you're there to you're in there to

2833
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:01,360
engage the phenomenon with him you're in

2834
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:03,199
there to engage the phenomenon and

2835
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,960
research and make contact with me

2836
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:06,080
because i'm going to study it i'm going

2837
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:07,920
to measure it with our tools you know

2838
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,679
you're there to get uh reiki you're

2839
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:11,600
there to get hypnotherapy learn about it

2840
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:13,760
you're there to to get a float perhaps

2841
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:16,080
or or go to a spa like we're gonna we're

2842
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,639
gonna take care of the experiencers uh

2843
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:20,320
uh on that day

2844
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,920
um you know so so so that's the kind of

2845
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,960
type

2846
01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:26,880
of that we're creating people have to

2847
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:28,880
charge reasonable amounts for things to

2848
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:30,880
300 bucks to hear one guy interview

2849
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,239
another guy is kind of crazy you know

2850
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,880
no but yeah to rent the the price is to

2851
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:37,760
rent

2852
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,400
stuff uh and to two tickets oh no for an

2853
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,320
event an in-person event is different

2854
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:44,159
than a virtual event for sure no i know

2855
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,600
but it does the cost isn't that very

2856
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:47,199
high especially with the tickets with

2857
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:48,480
the way the tickets are you do the math

2858
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,639
the profit is substantial

2859
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:52,480
and they're not putting that profit back

2860
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,400
into the science and the research

2861
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:56,320
that's that's the thing so so the point

2862
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,520
that i'm trying to make is once it's

2863
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:59,360
marketed once it's there the experiencer

2864
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,800
will know

2865
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:02,320
you know will have a choice would i

2866
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,480
rather pay 300 to say the same thing or

2867
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:06,000
would i would i like to pay a hundred

2868
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:07,360
dollars to go towards research and

2869
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,320
science and be involved in the

2870
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,040
investigation so so so so it's a matter

2871
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,920
it's a matter of what it is that you uh

2872
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:15,679
that you because it's your money

2873
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,320
you should have a choice of how you

2874
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:21,280
spend your money and who you give it to

2875
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,360
and and and i always say that vote with

2876
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,280
your money yeah don't give money to

2877
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,360
these people and if these people

2878
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:29,440
fake stories yeah and if and if you know

2879
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:31,040
it's fake stop giving that's how they

2880
01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:33,199
get their power stop buying their books

2881
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,920
stop going to their shows stop liking

2882
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:37,600
their pages if you really don't believe

2883
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:38,639
them because that's how they're getting

2884
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,239
paid and they don't care

2885
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:43,119
uh i i mean that's that's how that's how

2886
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,480
it works now does that doesn't mean

2887
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:45,920
they're not telling the truth about some

2888
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:46,880
things

2889
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,560
but like i mean with everything i'm

2890
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,400
saying you know like i could be talking

2891
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,320
out of my at my ass tonight but i i

2892
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:54,000
trust you to go to the website i trust

2893
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:55,679
you to follow me i trust you to look at

2894
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:57,520
the research i trust you to go to the

2895
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,360
website and look at the free copy of

2896
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:02,000
this and only buy the book if you intend

2897
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:04,080
to meet me and want it signed and you

2898
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:04,960
know

2899
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,760
if it's not important to you and you

2900
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:09,920
need it get it for free it's available

2901
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,360
for anyone who needs it because some

2902
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:13,760
people can't afford it what what about

2903
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:15,920
the people that can't afford it

2904
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:17,920
what if somebody really needs to me i do

2905
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:20,239
that i do that here like i hate putting

2906
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,840
things behind pay well we have a patreon

2907
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,520
it's a dollar or more a month but i

2908
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:25,600
always say it's tough out there if

2909
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:27,280
you're having a rough time just email me

2910
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:28,639
i'll put you on a spreadsheet and i'll

2911
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,199
send you the links every month you know

2912
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,719
this is an excellent question and then

2913
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:34,719
i'm curious about it yeah go ahead lord

2914
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:36,239
ludicrous plaid

2915
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:38,719
uh he wants to he wants me to ask you

2916
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:40,719
about grant cameron's association with

2917
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,960
the that letter people

2918
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:44,320
and i think he means government

2919
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,350
huh

2920
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:51,600
so

2921
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:54,080
everybody on my list

2922
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,239
everybody's on my list i am a private

2923
01:45:01,910 --> 01:44:58,880
investigator

2924
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:01,920
i have pulled background checks on

2925
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,239
everybody in the game

2926
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:07,199
i can confirm that

2927
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:08,560
several people

2928
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:11,119
are using stage names i'm not going to

2929
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,480
divulge that

2930
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,320
because it's part of my investigation

2931
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:16,080
it's still an under investigation but i

2932
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:18,080
can confirm

2933
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:19,199
that

2934
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:25,840
exist based on claims of the root story

2935
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:32,070
i will say that grant is on my list

2936
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:34,239
but i haven't looked into him yet

2937
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:37,119
because he hasn't given me reason to

2938
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:38,639
because he is taking care of

2939
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,639
experiencers he's doing

2940
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:42,960
work with experiencers so he's off my

2941
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:45,760
radar for the time being

2942
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:48,320
i'm focused more on

2943
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,840
on others

2944
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,679
who have

2945
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:52,960
lied

2946
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:55,840
and are causing turmoil

2947
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:58,480
within the industry and and causing a

2948
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:00,000
disruption so

2949
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:03,440
so i'm not saying that grant's the guy

2950
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:05,679
i'm not saying he's credible i'm just

2951
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:07,199
saying i haven't

2952
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:10,159
i haven't looked into him yet

2953
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:12,800
because there's other fish to fry

2954
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:15,280
if that makes any sense so

2955
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:18,880
if and and by doing that these people

2956
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:22,320
are linked to the letter company

2957
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:25,360
and by association if i am able to hook

2958
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:26,639
these people

2959
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:29,199
everyone who's in associated with these

2960
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:32,400
people will also go down so it's in the

2961
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:33,360
circle

2962
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:36,400
so i'm not i'm not particularly focused

2963
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:39,280
on that i'm focused on the circle in the

2964
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:41,199
ring and the people involved and once

2965
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,520
i'm able to prove that everyone that

2966
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,920
touched it goes down

2967
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:47,679
and then you guys can speculate around

2968
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:57,189
carrots drop right

2969
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,830
but he has done great work he has done

2970
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:01,840
great research he has done a whole bunch

2971
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,239
of things in the phenomenon he has made

2972
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:06,080
connections he has done all these things

2973
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:08,800
to make him credible i don't i don't see

2974
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:11,600
any reason to doubt him

2975
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:14,159
uh in terms of things but yeah and i've

2976
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,760
talked to him i've talked to him several

2977
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:17,600
times and one thing i could say is that

2978
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:20,000
he is incredibly passionate about

2979
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:22,239
finding the truth behind the phenomenon

2980
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:24,239
and i can respect that i might disagree

2981
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,239
with his methods or how he's doing it

2982
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:28,960
with me so he he's no further uh

2983
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:31,199
accurate than i am or anyone else doing

2984
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:33,600
this phenomenon he he's not

2985
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:34,560
uh

2986
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,199
he he may be closer because he's been

2987
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:39,280
doing it for a lot longer he may have

2988
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,400
information that i don't have uh he may

2989
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:44,159
have experience which is expected

2990
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:46,080
because of his age you know there's

2991
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,639
there's so many great things that go

2992
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:51,040
with it even if he is connected to the

2993
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,880
government uh that doesn't necessarily

2994
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:54,400
mean a bad thing

2995
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:57,360
it it just maybe he's the he's chosen to

2996
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,040
funnel this information out i i have uh

2997
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:02,960
um connections within the government but

2998
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:04,639
that's because i i own a private

2999
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:06,080
investigating firm and i and their

3000
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:08,239
clients so i can talk to people and i

3001
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:10,400
understand how it works but i would

3002
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:11,199
never

3003
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:13,119
make them

3004
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:15,040
not follow the rules and regulations i

3005
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:16,480
wouldn't cause them to jeopardize their

3006
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:18,239
job in order to do this out but they

3007
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:20,239
know that i'm the guy to call to when

3008
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:23,119
when when something needs to to be out

3009
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:24,480
and when i do these freedoms of

3010
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,600
information

3011
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,840
requests i believe that's because i know

3012
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:29,920
these people that that that they're

3013
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:31,440
allowing the information to come out and

3014
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:33,440
giving it to me so i can release it i'm

3015
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:34,800
okay with that but that doesn't mean i'm

3016
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,960
working for the government so grant has

3017
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:38,639
been at this a long time he's he's

3018
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:40,400
traveled he's met a lot of people it's

3019
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:42,000
very possible that he's made that

3020
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:43,520
connection and if he's going to keep

3021
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:44,960
private well he should because he's got

3022
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:47,360
to protect that source but you but that

3023
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:49,280
doesn't mean

3024
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,960
that everything he says is accurate that

3025
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,560
doesn't mean everything i say is

3026
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,639
accurate you know you don't trust but

3027
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,159
verify

3028
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,880
yes right so don't believe

3029
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,400
i'm not going to endorse

3030
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:02,239
uh anybody i'm not going to i'm not

3031
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,280
going to say uh bad about him either

3032
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:07,360
it's it's it's it's he's doing a part

3033
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:10,639
he's doing a service he is helping

3034
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:13,040
you as experiencer you know

3035
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,400
does that help you and if that's not

3036
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:16,320
what you're looking for and then then

3037
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:17,679
try us and if we're not what you're

3038
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:19,840
looking for try someone else the other

3039
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,159
thing too is we have this open open uh

3040
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,560
scenario with members uh with youtube

3041
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:26,320
members if you become a youtube member

3042
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:28,000
uh you get bonus scenes and all that

3043
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:30,480
other fun jazz but we also uh we

3044
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,880
consider you guys uh

3045
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,480
to be shareholders in that sense and

3046
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:36,480
then we we also get feedback and say hey

3047
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:38,719
what what is something that tesla could

3048
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:41,199
do with this money and we'll implement

3049
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:43,119
it so we you know we we've we've done

3050
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:44,320
things like that stuff that's been

3051
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:45,840
created through the organization very

3052
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:48,239
democratic of you well it's like it's

3053
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,679
the canadian

3054
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,360
canadian way

3055
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,199
we're gonna yeah we're gonna spend it on

3056
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,440
whatever we want but i want to make sure

3057
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:57,199
that people understand it's uh

3058
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:59,440
t-e-s-a-c-a-n-dot

3059
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:02,239
o-r-g that's correct the experiencer

3060
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,119
support association and also i want to

3061
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:06,880
make sure that people uh i want to

3062
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:08,960
remind people that the the link to

3063
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,040
ryan's youtube

3064
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:13,440
channel is down here in the description

3065
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:14,320
box

3066
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,000
i have been watching a bunch of his

3067
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,480
videos and so far agreeing with a lot or

3068
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,320
most of what he says he and i think a

3069
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:22,639
lot of people disagree comments i like

3070
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:35,830
and i will challenge you just as much as

3071
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:37,920
you challenge me this is an excellent

3072
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:40,480
maybe last question for you

3073
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,199
drives you to seek the truth yeah

3074
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,520
excellent question because you listen i

3075
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:48,000
can tell that you put a lot of time

3076
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:51,040
passion and energy and probably your own

3077
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,800
money and things like that into getting

3078
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:54,239
this thing going and getting it up and

3079
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:57,440
running i know how passionate you are so

3080
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,199
this is an excellent question what has

3081
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:01,040
driven you to seek the truth about these

3082
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:02,800
things

3083
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,199
i am an experiencer

3084
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:07,679
i've had my own experience just like

3085
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:10,400
many other experiences out there i'm

3086
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:12,159
looking for people

3087
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:13,040
that

3088
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,320
have had the same experiences i did

3089
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:18,159
and i'm learning through them what

3090
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:19,360
happened to me

3091
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:21,840
and and things like that uh that's what

3092
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:23,920
that's the main draw so it's very

3093
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,480
personal for you well it's it's it's

3094
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,360
it's but i also know people that are

3095
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:31,520
affected by the phenomenon that are very

3096
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,350
almost given up on their life because

3097
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:40,960
they don't have answers for the

3098
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:43,520
phenomenon i know people

3099
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,280
that that don't have support

3100
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:49,440
i've been doing this a long time and i

3101
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:52,960
care great deeply about the people uh i

3102
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,000
am uh i am

3103
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:58,400
a philanthropist in a sense i i love the

3104
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:00,880
people and i do this for the people i do

3105
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,000
this for the experiencers

3106
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,159
and i do believe

3107
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,560
that this model

3108
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:10,000
right or wrong

3109
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:11,440
in the end

3110
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:13,360
will be able to help a great deal of

3111
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:14,639
people

3112
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:17,599
who are suffering from mental illness

3113
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:18,400
and

3114
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,880
just a little bit longer

3115
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:28,320
while we fight for the truth and push

3116
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:30,800
for the truth and and just put a

3117
01:52:35,109 --> 01:52:33,280
positive spin on it that maybe maybe

3118
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,119
we're not being punished maybe we're not

3119
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:38,000
being scared maybe we're special

3120
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:40,159
maybe we have the ability maybe we're

3121
01:52:43,589 --> 01:52:41,440
gifted

3122
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:43,599
and if we work together

3123
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:46,800
and we do good things together we will

3124
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:48,800
heal the world

3125
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:52,080
we will be able to take care and change

3126
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:53,440
the world

3127
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:56,400
if we are able to use these abilities

3128
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:58,639
but we we also need to encourage people

3129
01:53:01,830 --> 01:53:01,119
to acknowledge the ability

3130
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:01,840
to

3131
01:53:10,550 --> 01:53:08,880
do good with those abilities

3132
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,560
so we can still use all these things

3133
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:12,880
that i you know talking bad about all

3134
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:15,280
these people have

3135
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:17,760
have started for a good reason

3136
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:19,360
they've just been doing it for so long

3137
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,960
that they're now dependent on the money

3138
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,119
it becomes a career it becomes a job it

3139
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:25,520
becomes a livelihood so there's lots of

3140
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:28,320
opportunity for them to you know push

3141
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:30,800
the narrative or or lie or do some

3142
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:33,520
things just to focus just to make some

3143
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,800
bucks there's lots of motive there

3144
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:36,719
because we all need money

3145
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,440
um but the the

3146
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:44,480
the drive the portion and the passion

3147
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:48,080
is is to get an actual understanding to

3148
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:52,000
provide an objective unbiased reading

3149
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,440
fair reading

3150
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,199
on what is really happening and at the

3151
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:57,520
same time taking care of our own and

3152
01:54:01,350 --> 01:54:00,000
encouraging them

3153
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:01,360
to be happy

3154
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:04,480
and and i do believe that

3155
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:07,520
if the extraterrestrial contact if like

3156
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:08,719
you have that theory that we're not

3157
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,840
ready

3158
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:11,840
maybe maybe we're not making contact

3159
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,520
because we're not ready and there's lots

3160
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:15,679
of evidence out there to support

3161
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:17,760
uh how we respond especially with the

3162
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,159
pandemic the pandemic whatever way you

3163
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:22,800
want to go with that is a very good uh

3164
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:24,320
eye opener

3165
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,560
to explain or to show a variance of

3166
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:28,800
opinions of variance of decisions a

3167
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:31,440
variance of uh of how look how that

3168
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:33,679
argument's going you know yeah i respond

3169
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:37,280
to a global problem ufos and

3170
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:39,599
extraterrestrials is a and paranormal

3171
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:41,040
activity those are also global

3172
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:43,679
phenomenons so maybe you know if we

3173
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,679
can't handle that

3174
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:47,440
this then how are we going to handle

3175
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:50,480
that and if and if the government is in

3176
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:52,639
control of that and they want it to come

3177
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,880
out they needed to come out and this was

3178
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,119
a test perhaps we failed that

3179
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:59,840
so so so so the the the but if it's not

3180
01:55:02,950 --> 01:55:01,440
or it doesn't exist which is also

3181
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,960
possible because we don't know i gotta

3182
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,719
look at both sides i gotta look i gotta

3183
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,719
defend it i also have to encourage it

3184
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:08,480
and in the middle in the middle is the

3185
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:10,400
truth so so

3186
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:12,719
while moving forward

3187
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:14,080
um

3188
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:15,760
the

3189
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:18,560
i guess what we'll learn is or what i'm

3190
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:19,520
hoping

3191
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:23,599
is is by gathering up these people

3192
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,520
with these abilities that i can defend

3193
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,040
with my research

3194
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:29,040
and say the parliament and be like look

3195
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,719
these are government documents these are

3196
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:32,320
credible sources i'm a private

3197
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:34,000
investigator here's my license here's

3198
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:35,520
all this stuff this is everything i'm

3199
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,679
going to lose which i risk every day

3200
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,840
that i do this every time i say that i

3201
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:41,760
mean i i could lose a client and that's

3202
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,880
someone that pays the bills that's

3203
01:55:45,589 --> 01:55:44,080
someone that brings me here but i'm

3204
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:45,599
taking those risks to show the example

3205
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:47,040
that someone's got to thread that needle

3206
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:48,560
someone other people are in this

3207
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:49,920
industry that are afraid to lose their

3208
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:51,679
license you know

3209
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:52,800
and

3210
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:54,000
someone's got to do it someone's going

3211
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:56,000
to start that but as i build these

3212
01:55:58,790 --> 01:55:57,679
groups in these teams and set that

3213
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:58,800
example

3214
01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:00,960
then maybe we can go to the government

3215
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:02,320
together

3216
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:04,960
and not protest in violence

3217
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:07,599
and maybe have a peace protest some sort

3218
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:09,280
of love

3219
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:12,239
you know experiencer movement where we

3220
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:14,080
can tell them that we know that they

3221
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,000
know that's a thing that we that i have

3222
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:17,840
a movement disclosure movement is we

3223
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:20,719
know you know that hand behind me

3224
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,480
you know they're on

3225
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:25,199
on the tackle yeah listen we know you

3226
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:26,000
know

3227
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:28,000
we're we're way we're we're just about

3228
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:29,520
out of time but i still wanted to touch

3229
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:30,719
on because somebody went out of their

3230
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:34,000
way and emailed me to ask you about uh

3231
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:36,000
the freemasons and your association with

3232
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:37,760
yeah let's do it because they notice

3233
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:39,920
that you that you put you out of time

3234
01:56:44,229 --> 01:56:42,080
because you have no right i don't know i

3235
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:44,239
can keep going you know well yeah let's

3236
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:46,400
keep going but i'd like to hear i would

3237
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:49,360
like to wrap it up soon but okay we i'd

3238
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,800
like to hear because somebody went out

3239
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:53,280
of their way to email me and say hey

3240
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:55,280
but but they had they were polite but

3241
01:56:59,510 --> 01:56:57,119
they were like you know i think he's a

3242
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:59,520
freemason

3243
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,280
as if that's a bad thing because i've

3244
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:03,199
known that i'm not a freemason myself

3245
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:06,400
for those curious um but i i'm very

3246
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:08,239
interested in them because i love

3247
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:11,280
history and how many people in our

3248
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:14,000
governments and things and so so so

3249
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:15,840
what's the question then the question

3250
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:18,000
really was can you ask him about his

3251
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,400
association with the freemasons and why

3252
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:22,400
he's injecting some of that into his

3253
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:25,920
work they found it i suppose suspect

3254
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:27,760
because of the you know that illuminati

3255
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:30,560
the freemasons rule the world so so yes

3256
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:36,149
it is impossible

3257
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:38,560
for a or necessarily impossible it's

3258
01:57:43,589 --> 01:57:41,040
very unlikely that someone who is

3259
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:43,599
practicing freemasonry

3260
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:47,199
would be able to do bad things

3261
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:49,280
there are there are people who have

3262
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:52,000
become masons and done well and then

3263
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:55,280
left masonry and then continued and

3264
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:57,440
stopped practicing and then did things

3265
01:58:01,830 --> 01:58:00,239
that are bad while associated with the

3266
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:01,840
organization

3267
01:58:05,430 --> 01:58:03,760
if you are practicing if you are going

3268
01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:05,440
to church are you doing anything like

3269
01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:07,840
that you will continuously be told to do

3270
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:10,480
good and do good unto others and you'll

3271
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:13,440
continuously be reminded and shown all

3272
01:58:17,189 --> 01:58:14,560
those things

3273
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:17,199
and and if you think of doing bad things

3274
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:20,159
it it would be very very hard for you to

3275
01:58:25,430 --> 01:58:23,360
do that if you are in fact

3276
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:25,440
involved with masonry

3277
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,960
that does not mean

3278
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:29,199
that a human being could make a decision

3279
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:31,440
while being associated with that group

3280
01:58:35,109 --> 01:58:33,599
it is a group it is an organization it

3281
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:35,119
is a business it's all that other stuff

3282
01:58:39,350 --> 01:58:36,800
but it happens to also be the most

3283
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:39,360
ancient and the oldest organize you know

3284
01:58:43,669 --> 01:58:42,080
uh uh society that has ever existed

3285
01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:43,679
there's also the picture goes back to

3286
01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:45,440
the temple of solomon before it goes

3287
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:47,199
further back it goes to egypt it goes to

3288
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:49,440
sumerians it goes to ancient sumerian it

3289
01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:53,119
goes back to to the beginning

3290
01:58:56,709 --> 01:58:55,040
um excuse me

3291
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:56,719
i ran out of tea so i started drinking

3292
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:59,440
my pop so i got that no no

3293
01:59:02,790 --> 01:59:00,880
so so

3294
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,800
the

3295
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:04,080
origin

3296
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,480
story it's it's it's how it started and

3297
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:08,719
the message has always been

3298
01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:10,639
um

3299
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:13,440
philosophical it's about

3300
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:16,320
improving yourself in the third first

3301
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:18,480
second and third degree and many degrees

3302
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:21,599
up to 32 up to 33 33 is the you know

3303
01:59:25,750 --> 01:59:23,360
uh the highest that you can well there's

3304
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:25,760
there's yeah 33 is the highest

3305
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:28,080
um so i'm a 32nd degree freemason

3306
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:29,360
scottish rape

3307
01:59:33,430 --> 01:59:31,119
oh you got one to go and you're and

3308
01:59:34,390 --> 01:59:33,440
you'll get all the secrets right

3309
01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:34,400
yeah that's where that's where the

3310
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:36,480
aliens are apparently

3311
01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:40,000
so then i'm york right as well uh uh so

3312
01:59:44,310 --> 01:59:42,320
uh master mason and that's uh royal arch

3313
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:44,320
mason and well cryptid right all the

3314
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,400
other side and left side pyramid

3315
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:48,880
uh i am also

3316
01:59:52,229 --> 01:59:51,280
a rosh christian i'm also an eastern

3317
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:52,239
star

3318
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:54,560
um which is the female fraternity as

3319
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,960
well uh some men can join that too but

3320
02:00:02,390 --> 01:59:58,239
it's it's part of that but there are

3321
02:00:04,550 --> 02:00:02,400
female masons too um i'm also heavily

3322
02:00:06,390 --> 02:00:04,560
involved in in charity and and things

3323
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:06,400
like that too so here so

3324
02:00:08,229 --> 02:00:07,440
so

3325
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:08,239
the

3326
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:16,239
really stopped using it because

3327
02:00:21,109 --> 02:00:19,199
uh you know some masons persecution did

3328
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:21,119
some bad things and they hide why why do

3329
02:00:24,870 --> 02:00:22,480
people hide because they had a

3330
02:00:27,669 --> 02:00:24,880
difference of opinion they got killed

3331
02:00:31,589 --> 02:00:27,679
because they they went against the

3332
02:00:33,030 --> 02:00:31,599
church so it was strategy to hide and

3333
02:00:34,390 --> 02:00:33,040
have these meetings because they wanted

3334
02:00:36,149 --> 02:00:34,400
to change the world and do all these

3335
02:00:38,629 --> 02:00:36,159
things and have all this other stuff why

3336
02:00:41,109 --> 02:00:38,639
do i incorporate in my work so so i can

3337
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:41,119
um have people like this ask me these

3338
02:00:45,830 --> 02:00:42,880
questions so i can actually defend and

3339
02:00:48,629 --> 02:00:45,840
share and have you maybe trust that not

3340
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:48,639
all masons are bad and it's the person

3341
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:49,840
it's the human element because the

3342
02:00:54,550 --> 02:00:52,320
philosophy behind behind masonry as i

3343
02:00:56,790 --> 02:00:54,560
stated before is to take good men and

3344
02:00:59,189 --> 02:00:56,800
make them better and of course pick good

3345
02:01:02,070 --> 02:00:59,199
women and make them better and and so

3346
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:02,080
with the tessa philosophy to take good

3347
02:01:06,550 --> 02:01:04,560
experiences and make them better or take

3348
02:01:07,990 --> 02:01:06,560
good researchers and investigators and

3349
02:01:09,350 --> 02:01:08,000
make them better that's that make sonic

3350
02:01:11,669 --> 02:01:09,360
philosophy

3351
02:01:13,030 --> 02:01:11,679
so so so and everything isn't

3352
02:01:15,510 --> 02:01:13,040
progressive with pillars and things like

3353
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:15,520
that too but the the metaphors

3354
02:01:18,790 --> 02:01:17,280
in the rituals

3355
02:01:20,390 --> 02:01:18,800
um

3356
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:20,400
essentially like in the first degree you

3357
02:01:25,669 --> 02:01:23,520
enter you have um

3358
02:01:27,030 --> 02:01:25,679
an understanding of what masonry might

3359
02:01:28,390 --> 02:01:27,040
be and then you kind of decide from

3360
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:28,400
there whether you're in or out because

3361
02:01:32,070 --> 02:01:30,400
everyone's curious because because they

3362
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:32,080
don't know what it is

3363
02:01:35,430 --> 02:01:34,320
i almost joined just to see what it was

3364
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:35,440
well that's the best way to do it and

3365
02:01:39,350 --> 02:01:37,440
you can get you know what happened

3366
02:01:41,270 --> 02:01:39,360
happened i almost there's

3367
02:01:43,910 --> 02:01:41,280
i didn't realize this but

3368
02:01:46,070 --> 02:01:43,920
i realized i i was driving in my new

3369
02:01:47,990 --> 02:01:46,080
neighborhood i just moved not long ago

3370
02:01:49,910 --> 02:01:48,000
right before cove i was driving around

3371
02:01:52,950 --> 02:01:49,920
and i see there's a masonic temple like

3372
02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:52,960
a mile from my house and i said that's

3373
02:01:57,270 --> 02:01:55,520
that's so close i got maybe i'll join

3374
02:01:59,589 --> 02:01:57,280
and figure out what this is about but i

3375
02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:59,599
never got to because covet hit and they

3376
02:02:02,310 --> 02:02:00,639
you know

3377
02:02:03,350 --> 02:02:02,320
that kind of stuff but i will say that

3378
02:02:04,550 --> 02:02:03,360
most of the

3379
02:02:06,149 --> 02:02:04,560
people i have known that have been

3380
02:02:08,470 --> 02:02:06,159
freemasons have been

3381
02:02:10,149 --> 02:02:08,480
both good people you know i've never met

3382
02:02:11,589 --> 02:02:10,159
an evil one that was trying to take over

3383
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:11,599
the world so i don't understand that

3384
02:02:15,270 --> 02:02:14,239
conspiracy myself so it it's it's you

3385
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,280
got to look at the source you're going

3386
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:17,360
to look at who is accusing them of what

3387
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:18,560
and you got to look at the experience

3388
02:02:23,669 --> 02:02:21,040
here or the sorry the individual that's

3389
02:02:26,709 --> 02:02:23,679
making the accusation you know are they

3390
02:02:28,390 --> 02:02:26,719
uh opposing paul the opposing party in

3391
02:02:30,390 --> 02:02:28,400
in your in your elections like there's

3392
02:02:32,629 --> 02:02:30,400
so many factors so much information that

3393
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:32,639
you're not looking at and and and the

3394
02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:33,760
thing is

3395
02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:39,589
like if we look at the straw so

3396
02:02:43,430 --> 02:02:41,360
let me give you an example so as far as

3397
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:43,440
charity goes there's a blood clinic uh

3398
02:02:48,070 --> 02:02:45,599
that the masons do in this area we have

3399
02:02:49,589 --> 02:02:48,080
we have burn hospitals for children like

3400
02:02:51,030 --> 02:02:49,599
we raise a lot of money for stuff but

3401
02:02:53,589 --> 02:02:51,040
then people don't know that it's it's

3402
02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:53,599
run by masons uh and that's not the

3403
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,840
point the point is to is to take care of

3404
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:57,920
the world and and do that when we have

3405
02:03:01,510 --> 02:03:00,080
our meetings it's it's it's it's not

3406
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:01,520
it's to talk about the world it's talk

3407
02:03:05,589 --> 02:03:03,920
it's it's it's it's a pep talk to go out

3408
02:03:07,109 --> 02:03:05,599
and and heal the world

3409
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:07,119
and how do we do it how do we solve the

3410
02:03:10,470 --> 02:03:08,800
world's problems how do we do that and

3411
02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:10,480
how do we do it you know and and and

3412
02:03:15,430 --> 02:03:13,440
what it essentially is is is is uh and

3413
02:03:17,109 --> 02:03:15,440
you know one of the other models is a

3414
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:17,119
model

3415
02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:18,000
[\h__\h]

3416
02:03:22,310 --> 02:03:20,719
mottos is um

3417
02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:22,320
the only time you look down at a brother

3418
02:03:24,950 --> 02:03:23,360
is when you're helping them up like

3419
02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:24,960
there's there's a lot of there's a lot

3420
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:27,520
of things but the thing is with masonry

3421
02:03:32,629 --> 02:03:30,800
um the symbolism the algorithm like this

3422
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:32,639
all the allegory

3423
02:03:37,350 --> 02:03:34,320
these ancient symbols they all have

3424
02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:37,360
meanings uh in the material sense but

3425
02:03:40,390 --> 02:03:38,880
they they also

3426
02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:40,400
if you break it down is about

3427
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:43,119
consciousness so a passage for the

3428
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,520
working tools and i think the first or

3429
02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:47,840
second degree is as

3430
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:50,000
the rude material receives its fine

3431
02:03:55,030 --> 02:03:52,159
finish from repeated efforts alone and

3432
02:03:56,950 --> 02:03:55,040
nothing short of indefatigable exertion

3433
02:03:58,950 --> 02:03:56,960
it shall induce the habit of virtue

3434
02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:58,960
enlighten the mind and render the soul

3435
02:04:02,069 --> 02:03:59,920
pure

3436
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:02,079
so that particular passage

3437
02:04:04,790 --> 02:04:03,440
while you're in that lecture you're

3438
02:04:06,149 --> 02:04:04,800
looking at a

3439
02:04:07,990 --> 02:04:06,159
a stone

3440
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:08,000
that is rough

3441
02:04:11,990 --> 02:04:10,400
and then you're referring to a a

3442
02:04:13,589 --> 02:04:12,000
chiseled stone that's smooth and all

3443
02:04:16,149 --> 02:04:13,599
that other stuff and what it in the

3444
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:16,159
physical sense it's

3445
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:18,000
you know that rude material receives

3446
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:19,920
fine finish from continuous repeated

3447
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:22,159
effort so continually working on it and

3448
02:04:27,669 --> 02:04:24,639
nothing short of indefinable exertion so

3449
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:27,679
continual efforts and uh

3450
02:04:31,270 --> 02:04:29,280
i can't i can't break it apart nothing

3451
02:04:32,629 --> 02:04:31,280
short on definition still in induce the

3452
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:32,639
habit of virtue enlighten the mind and

3453
02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:34,159
render the soul pure so you'll start to

3454
02:04:36,629 --> 02:04:35,679
feel better when you receive research

3455
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:36,639
the

3456
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:39,280
finished finished product but so we

3457
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:41,520
comprehend that we use these symbols but

3458
02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:44,239
what it really means is ourselves so so

3459
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:47,599
if we continue to work on ourselves

3460
02:04:51,830 --> 02:04:50,000
we that finished product will induce the

3461
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:51,840
habit of virtue enlighten the mind and

3462
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:54,400
render the soul poor our shadow work our

3463
02:04:59,109 --> 02:04:57,440
demons we work on ourselves we we

3464
02:05:00,790 --> 02:04:59,119
fight these battles we take care of each

3465
02:05:03,830 --> 02:05:00,800
other we continue to learn we continue

3466
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:03,840
to grow we continue to help those people

3467
02:05:08,550 --> 02:05:06,400
and we work through those degrees

3468
02:05:10,229 --> 02:05:08,560
and in masonry for the first like the

3469
02:05:11,589 --> 02:05:10,239
the story within that they walk you

3470
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:11,599
through in the rituals the first second

3471
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:15,280
in degree as a stone mason is is you you

3472
02:05:19,669 --> 02:05:16,320
you learn

3473
02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:19,679
uh how to use the tools to um

3474
02:05:23,589 --> 02:05:21,679
to um

3475
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:23,599
build the project in king solomon's

3476
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:24,480
temple

3477
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:26,159
and then in the second degree you're

3478
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:28,800
essentially move to the next level where

3479
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:30,320
uh you

3480
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:33,119
uh are are shown how to take that and

3481
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:35,040
make it a little bit better to fit and

3482
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:38,480
be perfect for review and then the third

3483
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:39,679
degree

3484
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:42,400
essentially is is that level within the

3485
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:44,239
building to

3486
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:46,560
determine where that stone fits

3487
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:49,840
in that puzzle so so all along the way

3488
02:05:54,069 --> 02:05:51,360
at the second degree if you're if that

3489
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:54,079
stone isn't ready to be moved for review

3490
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:55,679
in the third degree you go back to the

3491
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:57,520
first degree you continue to work on it

3492
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:59,440
and then you present it in the second

3493
02:06:03,270 --> 02:06:02,000
and then it gets on to the third and

3494
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:03,280
third's like no this isn't right it

3495
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:04,639
doesn't fit we don't know where it fits

3496
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:06,400
yet so go back and work on the second

3497
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:08,000
and then you get to the third and all of

3498
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:10,000
a sudden they know where it fits so so

3499
02:06:13,669 --> 02:06:12,000
they what that really is is as an

3500
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:13,679
inspector looking at this piece in this

3501
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,119
great architect uh project to figure out

3502
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:19,440
you know where this goes

3503
02:06:23,589 --> 02:06:22,159
but the point of that is consciousness

3504
02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:23,599
as you continue to work on yourself and

3505
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:24,960
you do something you move to that next

3506
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:27,040
step then you continue to go back to the

3507
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:29,040
first to the second to the third until

3508
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:30,800
you figure out where you fit and once

3509
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:33,199
you figure out where you fit

3510
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:34,719
where you belong where you're

3511
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:37,840
comfortable you're rising

3512
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:39,440
then you continue to work on that but

3513
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:41,199
then if you get up to 30 second degree

3514
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:43,360
and you make a mistake and you fall from

3515
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:45,360
grace all those kind of things you go

3516
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:47,360
back to the first degree you work to the

3517
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:49,040
second you keep going till you get to

3518
02:06:52,390 --> 02:06:50,480
the third and you continue and you build

3519
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:52,400
yourself back up and that's why and

3520
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,840
that's that's the philosophy with

3521
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:55,920
masonry is we're taking good people and

3522
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:58,159
making them better and and and we're

3523
02:07:01,109 --> 02:06:59,599
building them up we're working we're

3524
02:07:02,709 --> 02:07:01,119
going back and through this progression

3525
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:02,719
but they use these algorithm or these

3526
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:05,280
allegories these these metaphors or as

3527
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:07,360
uh proverbs in the christian bible these

3528
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:09,199
are just stories to explain

3529
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,760
consciousness the way the mind works and

3530
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:13,840
how to obtain the heavenly abode it's

3531
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:16,079
all about consciousness and that is the

3532
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:17,599
ancient

3533
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:20,880
and the other thing too with freemasonry

3534
02:07:25,910 --> 02:07:24,320
is you can believe in any deity you do

3535
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:25,920
you just have to believe in a higher

3536
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:27,760
power you don't have to identify that

3537
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,079
higher power you don't somebody's asking

3538
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:32,000
in the live chat if atheists can be a

3539
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:35,440
part of freemasonry ah atheists is

3540
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:37,040
specific i can't remember i always get

3541
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:38,639
atheist and ignorance atheists believes

3542
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:40,880
there's no god no god so no you you

3543
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:43,840
wouldn't be uh unless you believe in a

3544
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:46,079
higher power it has supreme higher power

3545
02:07:51,910 --> 02:07:48,560
so you would not qualify for that uh

3546
02:07:54,069 --> 02:07:51,920
unfortunately and um

3547
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:54,079
because the point of believing in a

3548
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:56,560
higher power the reason why uh the

3549
02:08:01,109 --> 02:07:59,599
jewish tradition where a hat a yamaka is

3550
02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:01,119
to always remind them that there's

3551
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:03,520
someone above them something above them

3552
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:05,280
and that's a hum never knew i never knew

3553
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:08,239
that's what a yamaka was supposed to be

3554
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:09,760
like there's many other reasons but like

3555
02:08:13,750 --> 02:08:11,360
that's kind of one that i hold on to is

3556
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:13,760
it's just a simple reminder that there's

3557
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:16,480
always something above them and and and

3558
02:08:20,870 --> 02:08:18,960
if you if you believe in a higher power

3559
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:20,880
and you believe that that higher power

3560
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:22,800
is is responsible for what's happening

3561
02:08:28,229 --> 02:08:25,440
and watching what you're doing

3562
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:28,239
then um

3563
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:29,760
then you're going to continuously

3564
02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:32,400
reflect on what you're doing you're okay

3565
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:33,920
you're trying to

3566
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:35,520
and if you want to go to heaven if you

3567
02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:37,760
want to go to that great lodge above or

3568
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:39,840
whatever you call it the afterlife

3569
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,679
you're going to do good things and this

3570
02:08:46,229 --> 02:08:43,280
shows you how to do it so that's why i'm

3571
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:46,239
saying it's impossible for a mason to do

3572
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:48,079
bad things if you're practicing because

3573
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:51,920
you're it's it's it's it's impossible

3574
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:55,119
the way it becomes possible is if

3575
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:57,360
the team fails you if the people fail

3576
02:09:01,669 --> 02:08:58,880
you if the

3577
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:01,679
if society fails you

3578
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,520
you know there's all these other outside

3579
02:09:06,310 --> 02:09:04,960
measures and then you make a decision

3580
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:06,320
because there's no help there's no

3581
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:07,760
support there's no mental health there's

3582
02:09:12,069 --> 02:09:09,840
no resources

3583
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,079
yeah you're a mason but that's not the

3584
02:09:15,589 --> 02:09:14,000
reason why all that stuff happened in

3585
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,599
your life that's not the reason why you

3586
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:17,920
murdered someone or did something bad

3587
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:19,440
it's not because you're amazing it's

3588
02:09:23,990 --> 02:09:22,079
because you stopped being a mason

3589
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:24,000
it's because you stopped

3590
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:26,239
doing all those things but because you

3591
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:28,800
have that label you know so here's

3592
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:30,239
another example i'm a private

3593
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:33,119
investigator i own and operate a firm i

3594
02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:35,440
work every single day i worked all day

3595
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:37,199
today i'm gonna work all day tomorrow

3596
02:09:41,109 --> 02:09:39,920
looking for things that are real and not

3597
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:41,119
real

3598
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:42,960
there are people in the ufology

3599
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:45,599
community that are retired

3600
02:09:50,229 --> 02:09:48,079
and they haven't done this in years

3601
02:09:51,830 --> 02:09:50,239
they're no longer

3602
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:51,840
professionals

3603
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:54,239
they're no longer practicing they're no

3604
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:57,840
longer doing this professionally so yeah

3605
02:10:02,229 --> 02:10:00,000
they used to be esteemed at the time but

3606
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:02,239
they're not anymore they stopped

3607
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:04,320
and and and they're not they're retired

3608
02:10:08,069 --> 02:10:06,480
police officers they're not uh you know

3609
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:08,079
they're not police officers anymore

3610
02:10:11,270 --> 02:10:09,520
they're retired

3611
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:11,280
you know most retired police officers

3612
02:10:16,470 --> 02:10:14,320
become pis you know i'm guy i you know

3613
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:16,480
and and yeah they do they do my father's

3614
02:10:22,310 --> 02:10:20,719
former best friend is a is a retired uh

3615
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:22,320
philadelphia police detective and that's

3616
02:10:26,470 --> 02:10:25,119
exactly what he's doing now yeah and

3617
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:26,480
and i mean

3618
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:29,040
it's just so

3619
02:10:34,069 --> 02:10:31,199
i so what i'm trying to say is is my

3620
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:34,079
skills are sharpened uh because i do

3621
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:36,560
this every day i do this for money

3622
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:38,880
i do this for for real

3623
02:10:43,830 --> 02:10:42,079
and i also do but i do this for free but

3624
02:10:45,669 --> 02:10:43,840
it helps uh

3625
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:45,679
in what i'm doing for free is by showing

3626
02:10:48,229 --> 02:10:46,960
and highlighting my skills but that

3627
02:10:49,189 --> 02:10:48,239
doesn't mean i'm right that doesn't mean

3628
02:10:50,310 --> 02:10:49,199
i'm wrong

3629
02:10:51,830 --> 02:10:50,320
wrong doesn't mean i'm better than

3630
02:10:53,589 --> 02:10:51,840
everybody else

3631
02:10:55,750 --> 02:10:53,599
it just means

3632
02:10:56,950 --> 02:10:55,760
that i have the tools and the experience

3633
02:10:58,229 --> 02:10:56,960
to help

3634
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:58,239
and no one

3635
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:00,239
wants to work with me

3636
02:11:04,470 --> 02:11:03,040
and maybe it's my attitude maybe

3637
02:11:06,390 --> 02:11:04,480
i just want to tell you you're always

3638
02:11:07,350 --> 02:11:06,400
welcome here because we always need

3639
02:11:09,030 --> 02:11:07,360
guests

3640
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:09,040
maybe they think i have an ego maybe

3641
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:11,119
they think i'm the greatest thing uh

3642
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,040
that exists maybe it's i'm a mason maybe

3643
02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:15,360
it's the fact that i'm a pi maybe they

3644
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:17,440
just can't trust me and they shouldn't

3645
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:19,199
because they don't know

3646
02:11:23,189 --> 02:11:20,800
some of these people might be worried

3647
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:23,199
about what they're you might and i don't

3648
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:26,320
blame them and i but that you don't have

3649
02:11:30,069 --> 02:11:27,760
to

3650
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:30,079
uh you know if there's something useful

3651
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:31,920
use it you don't you know if there's

3652
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:34,400
something bad tell me you know let's

3653
02:11:38,470 --> 02:11:36,320
work together in private i can protect

3654
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:38,480
the people as well i have a lot of

3655
02:11:42,149 --> 02:11:40,560
private people that i'm helping and i

3656
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:42,159
don't need the fame for that because i

3657
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:43,840
know it's helping the cause because why

3658
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:46,560
it's helping them help the experiencer

3659
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:48,960
sure i'm still helping move on even

3660
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:50,400
though i'm not a part of it but i'm not

3661
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:52,320
promoting them i'm helping the

3662
02:11:57,830 --> 02:11:55,599
investigators because the experiencer

3663
02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:57,840
doesn't know any different they chose

3664
02:12:02,229 --> 02:12:00,000
mufon for their marketing they chose

3665
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:02,239
mufon for their reputation but the

3666
02:12:06,069 --> 02:12:04,239
experience the investigator doesn't know

3667
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:06,079
how to help them so they turn to me for

3668
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:06,880
help

3669
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:09,119
why because i have the because i used to

3670
02:12:14,390 --> 02:12:11,920
do it and and we do it privately because

3671
02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:14,400
they don't want to get in trouble

3672
02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:16,320
but it still happens because the

3673
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:18,159
experiencer does it and the experiencer

3674
02:12:22,950 --> 02:12:20,880
is good and maybe they get referred to

3675
02:12:25,830 --> 02:12:22,960
tessa maybe they don't it doesn't matter

3676
02:12:29,510 --> 02:12:25,840
it's all collective it's all universal

3677
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:29,520
uh disclosure is a is a global issue it

3678
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,199
and we have to work together and we

3679
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:33,199
don't have to

3680
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:37,360
um be famous the promise the problem

3681
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:39,280
with not being famous

3682
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:40,719
is that not enough people know that

3683
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:42,480
tesla exists and that's why i do this

3684
02:12:47,189 --> 02:12:44,159
for awareness this is this is what i

3685
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:47,199
call the bigger bullhorn theory yeah

3686
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:49,040
the guy with the biggest bullhorn

3687
02:12:53,430 --> 02:12:51,360
usually wins so yeah i'm not here to

3688
02:12:55,910 --> 02:12:53,440
make friends i'm not here to create

3689
02:12:58,950 --> 02:12:55,920
enemies i'm looking for the truth and

3690
02:13:00,069 --> 02:12:58,960
anybody that wants to help anyone that

3691
02:13:02,390 --> 02:13:00,079
wants to

3692
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:02,400
prove me wrong i welcome that too

3693
02:13:06,950 --> 02:13:04,560
because in my world

3694
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:06,960
i'm the only one doing what we're doing

3695
02:13:11,750 --> 02:13:09,840
uh and uh and if you're somebody that's

3696
02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:11,760
doing it and could help and wants to

3697
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:14,239
work with me i want you to i want you to

3698
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:15,360
reach out

3699
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:17,440
and if and if you don't and until

3700
02:13:21,990 --> 02:13:18,800
somebody does

3701
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:22,000
i have a big responsibility i rely on my

3702
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,920
team i rely on the experiencers i rely

3703
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:25,440
on people like yourself and give me an

3704
02:13:28,390 --> 02:13:27,360
invitation to have the opportunity to

3705
02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:28,400
share this

3706
02:13:32,550 --> 02:13:30,719
yeah this is fascinating to me because

3707
02:13:35,109 --> 02:13:32,560
you're into a lot of stuff that you know

3708
02:13:37,510 --> 02:13:35,119
i've oh it's all connected i've only

3709
02:13:39,910 --> 02:13:37,520
driven a i've only dived a little bit

3710
02:13:42,470 --> 02:13:39,920
into experiencers honestly i've avoided

3711
02:13:44,470 --> 02:13:42,480
experiencers i was a nuts and bolts guy

3712
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:44,480
for the longest time but eventually i

3713
02:13:47,510 --> 02:13:46,159
figured out that it might be

3714
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:47,520
all of this is connected just like

3715
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:49,679
you're saying

3716
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:50,800
and

3717
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:53,199
because we're always all connected why

3718
02:13:57,270 --> 02:13:55,440
because we're all human beings we're all

3719
02:13:59,109 --> 02:13:57,280
that's how we're connected there's no

3720
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:59,119
race there's no color difference there's

3721
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:00,719
no and there's no blood difference we're

3722
02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:03,679
all experiencing a phenomenon and and

3723
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:05,520
and what's common

3724
02:14:10,550 --> 02:14:08,480
is this psychogenic of consciousness

3725
02:14:13,589 --> 02:14:10,560
uh connection

3726
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:13,599
and and and these this trauma this fear

3727
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:14,960
this depression all these other things

3728
02:14:19,109 --> 02:14:16,960
so we rule all that out

3729
02:14:21,430 --> 02:14:19,119
so that we people are believing

3730
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:21,440
and or doing good things with it

3731
02:14:26,229 --> 02:14:24,400
if you have the ability to uh tell the

3732
02:14:28,310 --> 02:14:26,239
future or you have the ability to move

3733
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:28,320
an object i want to make sure that

3734
02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:30,480
you're using that ability for good

3735
02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:32,000
not working for the government in my

3736
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:34,719
labs so you know i you know doing remote

3737
02:14:39,189 --> 02:14:37,360
viewing and and harming people i want i

3738
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:39,199
if they're doing that we need a team to

3739
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:41,599
fight back we need a people to protect

3740
02:14:46,709 --> 02:14:44,880
we need we you know we we need

3741
02:14:48,229 --> 02:14:46,719
you know i keep right you know i don't

3742
02:14:49,030 --> 02:14:48,239
know like x-men and the mutants you know

3743
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:49,040
like

3744
02:14:53,189 --> 02:14:50,719
charles xavier here sitting in the chair

3745
02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:53,199
but you know we need we need our

3746
02:14:56,790 --> 02:14:55,360
our exports we need we need

3747
02:14:58,550 --> 02:14:56,800
we need some people

3748
02:15:00,149 --> 02:14:58,560
and i can help them

3749
02:15:01,750 --> 02:15:00,159
but you gotta go through the through the

3750
02:15:03,910 --> 02:15:01,760
gauntlet you gotta make a report you

3751
02:15:05,830 --> 02:15:03,920
gotta you gotta work through me

3752
02:15:08,310 --> 02:15:05,840
and uh

3753
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:08,320
give it a go and if it doesn't work then

3754
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:09,760
that's okay you find what you're looking

3755
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:12,800
for we'll make some referrals

3756
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:14,800
but there are people that understand it

3757
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:17,040
there are people that get it

3758
02:15:20,709 --> 02:15:18,719
and there are people that are and and

3759
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:20,719
like i said less is more i don't need to

3760
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:23,760
have a million uh yeah i'd rather have

3761
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:26,239
quality cases than a million crappy ones

3762
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:28,800
i don't need to have uh a thousand

3763
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:30,480
regression hypnotherapists i just need

3764
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:31,280
one

3765
02:15:37,030 --> 02:15:34,639
that understands it and it's reputable

3766
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,040
and ethical sure i just need one and i

3767
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:39,840
don't need to have a million ufo cases i

3768
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:41,520
don't need to have a million paranormal

3769
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:43,920
cases i just need one piece of evidence

3770
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:45,920
that's undefiledly

3771
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:48,560
indisputable i can get that here i don't

3772
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:49,679
need to go anywhere because

3773
02:15:53,430 --> 02:15:51,679
consciousness and energy is everywhere i

3774
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:53,440
don't need to travel you can get that at

3775
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:55,679
your own house if i teach you how how to

3776
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:57,199
collect that evidence and if that

3777
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:58,800
evidence exists and you have it and then

3778
02:16:01,669 --> 02:16:00,400
we reinforce it and we get more of that

3779
02:16:03,990 --> 02:16:01,679
from all these other places there's your

3780
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:04,000
corroborative data that's how we work

3781
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:05,040
together

3782
02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:07,679
tessa is an association

3783
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,400
the experiencer support

3784
02:16:14,790 --> 02:16:12,400
association

3785
02:16:16,390 --> 02:16:14,800
you want to me as an investigator doing

3786
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:16,400
you know disclosure that's my personal

3787
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:18,159
prerogative that's my fight for canada

3788
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:20,159
but the the testicide the experiencer

3789
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:21,920
part that's for everybody that was

3790
02:16:26,550 --> 02:16:25,520
created for them for you for all of you

3791
02:16:30,069 --> 02:16:26,560
not for me

3792
02:16:32,950 --> 02:16:30,079
that that just that that is my thank you

3793
02:16:35,110 --> 02:16:32,960
for uh you know get allowing me to be

3794
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:35,120
here and yeah and it's a thank you i'm

3795
02:16:39,030 --> 02:16:37,200
sure it's a thankless job but some of us

3796
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:39,040
appreciate your work you know and i want

3797
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:41,200
to thank you for being here uh it's

3798
02:16:45,429 --> 02:16:43,120
you've given us a great deal of stuff to

3799
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:45,439
think about i love these shows like this

3800
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:47,760
so packed with uh with things to think

3801
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,880
about

3802
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:50,719
no i appreciate it too and i do notice

3803
02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:52,559
some of our experiences and followers

3804
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:54,319
are in the comments and i appreciate

3805
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:56,160
your support uh i'm not running the

3806
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:58,160
comments but uh i see you're there so

3807
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:59,120
thank you

3808
02:17:02,549 --> 02:17:00,880
yeah i've seen some new people i assumed

3809
02:17:04,870 --> 02:17:02,559
that some of them were from your channel

3810
02:17:06,629 --> 02:17:04,880
so thank you guys for being here and i

3811
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:06,639
want to remind everybody one final time

3812
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:10,240
that uh ryan's uh youtube channel is in

3813
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:13,280
the about section of this website and

3814
02:17:18,870 --> 02:17:16,880
you can visit his uh website as well

3815
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:18,880
so i i forgot to put that in but i'll

3816
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:20,319
put it in after the show it's

3817
02:17:28,549 --> 02:17:25,750
to reach the experiencer support

3818
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:28,559
association website and make sure you if

3819
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,120
you're interested in these topics

3820
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:33,840
and ryan's work make sure you subscribe

3821
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:36,000
to his channel he could use a bump and

3822
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:37,679
i'd like to help him get yeah i

3823
02:17:42,709 --> 02:17:39,840
appreciate that a bigger bullhorn right

3824
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:42,719
and i i i will say that our regular

3825
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:44,880
program so thursday is a podcast i am

3826
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:47,120
the host of that we get random guests in

3827
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:48,800
there and that's investigative style i'm

3828
02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:51,679
talking to people off the cuff um

3829
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:53,120
i don't have a guest this week if you're

3830
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:57,280
available thursday at uh 8pm and i'm

3831
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:59,599
going to do a 9 p.m show here all right

3832
02:18:03,190 --> 02:18:01,200
all right so come and do i can come and

3833
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:03,200
do a half hour an hour with you no no

3834
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:05,040
it's okay i just thought of it but uh so

3835
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:07,840
so but i do do a lot of special

3836
02:18:10,870 --> 02:18:09,359
time okay all right well we'll talk

3837
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:10,880
about that but i do do a lunch special

3838
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:13,120
on mondays and thursdays where it's a

3839
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:14,559
live q and a

3840
02:18:18,549 --> 02:18:16,479
so if there's questions that you still

3841
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:18,559
have that weren't answered or you you

3842
02:18:22,070 --> 02:18:20,399
want to you know you know that's most of

3843
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:22,080
them i think we got to almost every

3844
02:18:25,190 --> 02:18:23,760
question that people had so yeah so you

3845
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:25,200
got a left hook or you're watching this

3846
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:27,439
on the replay uh you know subscribe to

3847
02:18:31,990 --> 02:18:29,679
the channel and i i do it live every

3848
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:32,000
every monday and thursday just to be

3849
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:34,639
available for anyone who needs it if

3850
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:36,800
nobody's there then i talk to myself and

3851
02:18:41,750 --> 02:18:39,840
then i go i've done shows like that yeah

3852
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:41,760
but i'm there i'm there i'd rather be

3853
02:18:46,389 --> 02:18:43,760
there and have you not need it than than

3854
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:46,399
for you to not need it not to have it

3855
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:48,000
sure thing that's a good strategy well

3856
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:49,519
thanks so much for doing this i'm going

3857
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:52,080
to do a quick wrap up and and bounce on

3858
02:18:56,230 --> 02:18:54,559
out of here myself i hope that you will

3859
02:18:57,429 --> 02:18:56,240
uh come back and if you need me on your

3860
02:18:59,110 --> 02:18:57,439
show just give me a little bit more

3861
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:59,120
notice i'll come back anytime you need

3862
02:19:01,830 --> 02:19:00,240
me

3863
02:19:04,150 --> 02:19:01,840
excellent maybe we'll do a whole show on

3864
02:19:06,309 --> 02:19:04,160
the freemasons after i join i should go

3865
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:06,319
join figure it out start figuring it out

3866
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:07,439
then i'll have you come back and we'll

3867
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:09,040
talk about it

3868
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:10,240
we're talking about some of it you can't

3869
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:11,439
talk about it oh you're right you're

3870
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:13,599
right we'll get something

3871
02:19:17,429 --> 02:19:15,599
around the bush did i give you a guide

3872
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:17,439
like don't say this or we'll kill you

3873
02:19:22,709 --> 02:19:21,040
but you can talk about this just just

3874
02:19:24,709 --> 02:19:22,719
just join and you'll find out you know

3875
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:24,719
like it's funny because when i when i

3876
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:26,000
first joined

3877
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:28,319
it was part of that scientology uh

3878
02:19:33,349 --> 02:19:30,719
research that investigation uh you know

3879
02:19:37,509 --> 02:19:33,359
uh i joined because i was looking for

3880
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:37,519
this guy i had planned on on actually

3881
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:38,399
um

3882
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:40,479
blowing the lid on that because i

3883
02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:42,639
thought it was a cult too but when i

3884
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:44,960
went through my first degree i was like

3885
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:46,719
i am so

3886
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:49,520
wrong

3887
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:52,800
and then i went up to 32 degrees like 32

3888
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:54,640
rituals like over a long period of time

3889
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,800
like that's a lot of stuff

3890
02:20:00,230 --> 02:19:58,560
that i have to remember and go through

3891
02:20:02,550 --> 02:20:00,240
it's not just most people do one and

3892
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:02,560
that's enough but i i had never been so

3893
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:04,000
wrong in my life

3894
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:05,600
and and that's and that's good that

3895
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,520
you're man enough to admit it and so am

3896
02:20:11,510 --> 02:20:10,000
i i don't i i just know i have a huge

3897
02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:11,520
interest in history

3898
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:13,200
and ancient knowledge and things like

3899
02:20:17,349 --> 02:20:14,800
that and maybe forgotten ancient

3900
02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:17,359
knowledge and i would join just to get

3901
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:19,200
access to some of their libraries and

3902
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:21,280
things like that you'll get access and a

3903
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:24,319
little higher higher degrees um but uh

3904
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:25,920
you'll get the lessons in the first

3905
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:27,600
second and third like you you'll you

3906
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:29,680
might not understand

3907
02:20:32,950 --> 02:20:31,040
going to hold you to that we might have

3908
02:20:34,710 --> 02:20:32,960
to come back and talk about this

3909
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:34,720
but uh thanks very much for your

3910
02:20:37,510 --> 02:20:36,240
participation tonight much much

3911
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:37,520
appreciate it

3912
02:20:42,950 --> 02:20:40,399
and uh we'll be in touch thank you brian

3913
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:42,960
all right well friends what a data rich

3914
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:45,280
boy there's a lot to think about i'm

3915
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:48,160
gonna have to be unpacking this myself

3916
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,479
so i want to thank each and every one of

3917
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,720
you for joining us uh

3918
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:54,640
i you always hear me say this friends

3919
02:20:57,910 --> 02:20:56,240
i'm always happy when there's an

3920
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:57,920
audience i want to thank each and every

3921
02:21:01,830 --> 02:20:59,920
one of you uh for being a part of mine

3922
02:21:05,349 --> 02:21:01,840
and especially thank ryan for doing this

3923
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:05,359
for us i think that he uh is really you

3924
02:21:09,429 --> 02:21:06,880
know people ask me questions about

3925
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:09,439
experiences and abductions and he's much

3926
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,680
more qualified to talk about that

3927
02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:13,680
specific part of the phenomenon than i

3928
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:15,040
am for sure

3929
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:16,880
um so i want to thank you very much so

3930
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:18,479
until next time friends my name is

3931
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:21,040
stephen cambion good night and god bless

3932
02:22:55,130 --> 02:22:16,030
[Music]

3933
02:23:19,360 --> 02:22:55,140
[Applause]